Future Is Bright For Australians If United States Loses WW3

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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 01:29 AM
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Its actually 3. Worried about the United States Government dragging us into a war with our friend China and destroying our economy. Also my brother lives in NT right next to where America is sending troops so he is right where an attack could take place.
Sorry?? An attack? And who would be attacking Australia? This sounds like a very thinly veiled threat. I find threats unpleasant, they tend to make me irritable and uncooperative. Will I be re-educated, or am I too old to be salvaged?




posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
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Its actually 3. Worried about the United States Government dragging us into a war with our friend China and destroying our economy. Also my brother lives in NT right next to where America is sending troops so he is right where an attack could take place.
Sorry?? An attack? And who would be attacking Australia? This sounds like a very thinly veiled threat. I find threats unpleasant, they tend to make me irritable and uncooperative. Will I be re-educated, or am I too old to be salvaged?


Who is threatening who? What the heck are you talking about?

China would be attacking Australia because china and the US are on a path for war. Why do you think the US is building up its military in Australia? We are right near them. Unlike you on the other side of the world from your war as usual.

Again,what theat


edit-Oh, I think I know what you mean and -- ARE YOU CRAZY? I mean your Government is going to get him killed. He lives near where the US Base is. China will attack there if that is not clear enough. I do not appreciate you painting my as a terrorist on a public forum btw


As shocking as it may be. many think America is a hell hole. We do not want to end up like you.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 01:46 AM
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edit-Oh, I think I know what you mean and -- ARE YOU CRAZY? I mean your Government is going to get him killed. He lives near where the US Base is. I do not appreciate you painting my as a terrorist on a public forum btw
No, that's not what I mean.

Let me calm myself. Your fear is, apparently, a US - China war. Set aside for a moment that it would make no sense. Sure there is concern about a number of things China is doing, but we can't even bring ourselves to go after Iran or Syria. A war with China, started by the US is incredibly unlikely.

Second, if a war were to occur, it would not be US - China, it would be US plus a lot of people against China plus a lot of people. In a situation like that why would China be concerned about a small number of troops in Australia when there are so many more resources in South Korea and other nearby places. Australia would pose only a tertiary threat, one to be cleaned up at leisure.

So when you speak of an attack by China on Australian soil, it seems more likely that it would be part of a first strike by China, or at least an attack that could be carried out in an instant whenever China chose.

That is a threat.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 01:49 AM
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Yes buddy china is your friend. china will do the following to your country.


It will buy up all the resources with their new reserve currency, have austrailians do all the dumb grunt work for little to no wages, give the good jobs to chinese managing you grunts, and if you guys don't like it they will place a big military base to beat you aussies into submission. And all those resources you have will not benefit the aussies only the chinese homeland.

So yeah look forward to your Chinese overlords....



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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I blame MTV amongst other things.
You guys didnt think you could keep printing money for nothing forever did you? That aint workin.



And the point is that I was thinking today that when we lose we will still win. We are actually like Obi Wan Kenobi in a way
We cannot be defeated. Even if we lose we win. In fact if we lose we do better.


"You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." ―Ben Kenobi


Its all good for Australia. We live in the right place. Those of us that are not killed will be fine and have a bright future in a world with China as sole superpower.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
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edit-Oh, I think I know what you mean and -- ARE YOU CRAZY? I mean your Government is going to get him killed. He lives near where the US Base is. I do not appreciate you painting my as a terrorist on a public forum btw
No, that's not what I mean.

Let me calm myself. Your fear is, apparently, a US - China war. Set aside for a moment that it would make no sense. Sure there is concern about a number of things China is doing, but we can't even bring ourselves to go after Iran or Syria. A war with China, started by the US is incredibly unlikely.

Second, if a war were to occur, it would not be US - China, it would be US plus a lot of people against China plus a lot of people. In a situation like that why would China be concerned about a small number of troops in Australia when there are so many more resources in South Korea and other nearby places. Australia would pose only a tertiary threat, one to be cleaned up at leisure.

So when you speak of an attack by China on Australian soil, it seems more likely that it would be part of a first strike by China, or at least an attack that could be carried out in an instant whenever China chose.

That is a threat.


That is not a threat. china could attack us whenever it chose. Why couldnt they. We cant defend against them. All your troops are doing is annoying them and risking our economy.

And we are not a 'tertairy' threat. Why do you think there is a build up? And you think South Korea has more resources? WA would be annexed straight away. They want to be Chinese so that wont be hard. And if you mean militarily, wrong again. Our location makes us very important. We are also the strongest allies of the US in this area. You obviously have no idea what so ever in relation to this part of the world. None. At all.

And since you insult us with your arrogance (as usual ) then you will not need our help then will you? So there is no need to 'shift focus to the pacific' as Obama said. America never stops do they? Always looking for their next war. There is no problem here so why the shift? Because you guys are out of the loop now. You think you can muscle in and annoy China enough that they finally have had enough and attack you so you can make them look like the bad guy and not pay your bills.

No need for you to be in the Asia Pacific. none of your business. No need for you to be anywhere but in America. Defend against South America and Mexico. It will save you money. You need it.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 02:43 AM
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I guess you can throw in with whomever you want, but the fact is, us Americans and Canadians and British and New Zealanders and other associated english speaking peoples mostly think of Australians as cousins and friends and distant brothers of a sort. On the other hand, the Chinese think of you as tools to be influenced, utilized, and ultimately controlled as an inferior race. Your choice!



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by jaxnmarko
I guess you can throw in with whomever you want, but the fact is, us Americans and Canadians and British and New Zealanders and other associated english speaking peoples mostly think of Australians as cousins and friends and distant brothers of a sort. On the other hand, the Chinese think of you as tools to be influenced, utilized, and ultimately controlled as an inferior race. Your choice!


It sint about what we think of each other. I have no problem with Americans. No problem with Chinese. I do have a problem with the US Government. The Chinese Government has done nothing but be fair with us.

And I disagree about the Chinese. They are nice people. Plus, more come to live here than any of the rest of you. The Chinese have been coming here since the Gold Rush. Our gold rush never ended really. We have got gold for days.

We have had a strong partnership with China for a very long time.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 03:23 AM
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Chinese generals have said time and time again, that their plan is to conquer America, but they need to take Australia first.

Sounds to me that China is doing a great job in the conquering of Australia if the Australians don't even know it's happening despite them saying openly (prior to the new found friendship) that it must be done. That friendship is a knife in the back waiting to happen.

Don't trust China, not one bit.


And I disagree about the Chinese. They are nice people. Plus, more come to live here than any of the rest of you. The Chinese have been coming here since the Gold Rush.


Need I say more?

May I ask, why do you think Chinese are the number one imports to Australia? Do you believe it's their love for kangaroo's or what?

Wake up Australians.

(Also, by no means do I think the US government is any better.)
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 03:25 AM
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If there is a WW3 there will be no future for any of us.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by Laokin
Chinese generals have said time and time again, that their plan is to conquer America, but they need to take Australia first.

Sounds to me that China is doing a great job in the conquering of Australia if the Australians don't even know it's happening despite them saying openly (prior to the new found friendship) that it must be done. That friendship is a knife in the back waiting to happen.

Don't trust China, not one bit.


And I disagree about the Chinese. They are nice people. Plus, more come to live here than any of the rest of you. The Chinese have been coming here since the Gold Rush.


Need I say more?

May I ask, why do you think Chinese are the number one imports to Australia? Do you believe it's their love for kangaroo's or what?

Wake up Australians.

(Also, by no means do I think the US government is any better.)
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If you can't beat em join em. Find a hot skinny Chinese chick and chill. Sometimes being conquered has its good points.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 03:34 AM
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I do love how you just charge into the hornets nest Germanicus


To try and add some resolution, China and America both have shocking human rights records and both have done a lot of good and bad for Australia and the world. To see these issues you raise as a simple 'with us or against us' decision is just a call to more war and violence as the last one standing takes the cake. Considering the capabilities of both this will be the cockroaches.

It has taken a lot of time and pain to understand the nature of this world. As we kill the fish to eat, so does the corporation kill us to feed as well. Australia is currently very much under control by the oligarchy and this does sadden me as there is no honour in the lies they present to undertake global conflict. Unless we are fighting for truth and justice all we will find is more blood as the answers continue to elude us.

China does appear to be more respectful in the self determination of nations it conducts work in with stability a major aim of long term projects. The US has tended to use more short term advantages. Sure there are exceptions, but on the overall general global approach this is how I see it.

The global economy does have a lot of problems and I do hold respect for the people trying to bring some accountability and fairness into the system. It is no easy job with so much complexity, competition and self interest interfering with the task at hand. It is wise that BRIC's does move to reinforce their own economies as the black hole accounting system of the US is funding the ongoing wars to much detriment. Hyperinflation is very much on the horizon for the US and as it continues to isolate itself through its foreign policy it is only set to increase unless significant changes are made.

As an Australian, I am first and foremost a human and one of so many billion on this planet. I do not care where the good ideas and fairness comes from but this is what I respect. While there are people there will be problems, we can either learn to work through them or let them get the better of us all.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
Those of us that are not killed will be fine and have a bright future in a world with China as sole superpower.


Ive stared a few of your coments in this thread becuase the comedy is priceless


Keep them coming



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 03:53 AM
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In my opinion....to hell with both of them.

The USA is only good for military support, and the Chinese are only good for spending their money on our mines.

in my opinion, if possible, lets milk both of them as much as possible.....after WW3, i like to think that Australia would be left the only one unscathed but that will be wishful thinking.

For those wondering who would attack Australia in a WW3 scenario refer to following link -

Australia biting the hand that fees it

We have been forced to accept US military on our land.....

as much of a whinge and complain most have against the US....I would rather have them here than the communist Chinese anyday......



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
I hope your friends(China) pay you well... Oh wait, they don't pay anybody jack ____.

Go ahead, buddy up with a country that has unfair labor practices, distorting world markets, and...

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They pay us very well..!!

Chinses owned mines, forestry plantations, manifacturers and a whole hoste of other things, are amongst the highest paied jobs in Australia.

Some of the Mine workers bring home nearly $2400 a week.

What China dose within it's own borders is China's business. But the people they contract to run their external operatonsions in Australia are paied well and treated even better..

China dose want a good relationship with Australia and I for one wealcome this, they can do more for us economically than the US eveer could..

And "NO", I am not an asian speaking for an asian country ..!! I am not a communist..!!

I am Caucasion and have no political standing (exept that I totally hate the Labour Party)..lol
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:21 AM
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Chinese generals have said time and time again, that their plan is to conquer America, but they need to take Australia first. Sounds to me that China is doing a great job in the conquering of Australia if the Australians don't even know it's happening despite them saying openly (prior to the new found friendship) that it must be done. That friendship is a knife in the back waiting to happen.


You are proving my point. They do have to go through Australia. Unlike some arrogant Americans might think, Australia is Americas most important ally in this part of the world. If we teamed up with China, and they would love for us to, then we could isolate Americas other allies in the region. Australia and China could dominate the asia pacific.

And like you said, Australia will be attacked first. We must end the alliance. It does nothing for us.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by Mindweaver

Originally posted by Germanicus
Those of us that are not killed will be fine and have a bright future in a world with China as sole superpower.


Ive stared a few of your coments in this thread becuase the comedy is priceless


Keep them coming


I am serious. I actually felt a little better about the whole thing when I had that realization. Australia will still be good even if we lose. It would suck if China lost for us though. We would go back to being on the wrong side of the world again. I cant see it happening though.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:35 AM
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What do you think about the South China Sea dispute?

China comes off as an a-hole on that issue, and they aren't superpower yet.
If ww3 ever happens, pray that the side that favors human rights, democracy, freedom, equality wins.
Otherwise, learning chinese while working for 50 cents an hour would suck, inmensely.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:36 AM
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You do love to put your into a lion's mouth,germanicus.You made the ATS pride angry.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:37 AM
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Neither side respects democracy,freedom ,equality etc.

Equality is an abstract and a concept that violates the laws of nature.



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