Future Is Bright For Australians If United States Loses WW3

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Originally posted by BobM88
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Your off site content, while interesting, was a member of your parliament presenting a petition with those statements in it. I can understand the concern with each item mentioned in it, but I was hoping for more meat on the bone...this is an MP presenting a petition signed by 3.272 citizens. I was hoping more to see some journalistic exposes into the treaty from one of your newspapers, sourcing bits of the treaty itself.

Having said that...I am not surprised that big companies are trying to give anyone they can the shaft. That's what they do.

Mining magnate Clive Palmer has accused the United States government of funding environmental group Greenpeace via the CIA to undermine Australia's coal mining sector.

www.abc.net.au...

There ya go Clive Palmer is a good place to start. The MSM made him out to be a loon but our MSM is just an extension of US MSM. He is correct. The CIA may have killed one of our past Prime Ministers Harold Holt. I would not be surprised. The american Government dont just have puppets in terrible countries. They have puppets in the west too. We are all afraid of America at the end of the day. America is a bully of an imperial government that gives orders and its always been a good idea to do what they say.. The MP that is speaking out against the corpoatist trade 'treaty' thing is going against the grain. He is a good man. It will do no good though. Our media will ignore him because our media is pro-US. Imperialism exists from top to bottom.

Not so sure hoss. Australia is a free so you guys can side with who you want. Sounds to me like your leaders are the one who have ponied up with the US. Not seeing where the US has dragged you guys into anything.

Originally posted by Germanicus
It looks like Australia will be dragged in to WW3 by the American Government. We all know that China has no problem with Australia apart from our military alliance with the United States. Australia is great friends with China and has been since the early 90's when Paul Keating was our Prime Minister.

If anyone knows anything about regional politics you would know that China does not have many good friends in our part of the world. Behind North Korea, we are their best buds in this area of the world. The phenomenal rise of China has been assisted by its friendship with Australia. China in turn has helped Australia rise to the number 1 ranked OECD nation. We have been great partners.

When the GFC was destroying western economies, Australia and China had little trouble. The GFC actually helped both of us. We both got a bump in our international standing. Australia did so well that our mediocre Treasurer, Wayne Swan was won an award, being named Euromoney Finance Minister of the Year

China won the award for him.

We have a strong economy because of the resources boom and Chinas investment in our mining industry. Mining is the big thing at the moment that we offer China. but mining is not the only thing. Like I said, the chinese have been investing heavily in Australia since the early 90's and before. The Chinese have been moving here to live and becoming Australians. The Chinese have have been coming to study here in our Universities for years. The Chinese have been coming here to holiday for years. They love our beaches and nice weather. They love our cities. They love our women/men. They love our casinos. They love our culture. They have been with us as far back as the Gold Rush.

It is in Australias best interest for the Chinese economy to remain strong. The Chinese will continue to come here. Australia is the West in the East. We are everything. We are the most multicultural place on the planet. One but many. No other western nation is lucky enough to be in a geographic position to take advantage of the shift in power and capital from the West to the East like Australia is.

It has always been a disadvantage for Australia to be located in the East for so many reasons. Now it has become an advantage. The East is where all the power is now. The capital has shifted. The only thing left is for China to take control of the Reserve Currency. When China gets the Reserve Currency Status soon, the standard of living and wealth per capita will rise significantly for the Chinese and Australia as its neighbour with alot to offer, will benifit.

Like I said, it looks like the American Government will drag us in to war with China and get many of our people killed for no good reason other than helping them maintain their status as superpower. But I think China will defeat us easily. We are still located in the right part of the world evn if we are conquered. Western Australia wants to become part of asia already. Would it be so bad to be ruled by the Chinese Government? They have gotta be better than boot licking Gillard. Better than Tony Abbott. The major parties are puppets of the US Government. They are simply an extension of the US Government. China is doing a great job at running its country. No nation has risen like China. They are an economic miracle.

People like to use imagery of Mao Zedong or bring up the moochers of Tibet or the a couple other things when China is mentioned. I am not afraid of China. They have done a much better job than the United States has at running their country. China is the future. I think China is a little bit like Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back and Australia is Luke Skywalker. Darth want Luke to join him so they can rule the universe together. I wonder what would have happened if Luke had have taken him up on his offer. We know Darth wasnt such a bad dude deep down. I think that Anakin and Luke Skywalker could have ruled a pretty happy universe at the end of the day once they put The Emperor in his place. Maybe they could have reasoned with The Emperor and convinced him to stand down and it could have been resolved without any trouble.

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Originally posted by shadowman09
You sir,,are a jackass and a loser....You have no inkling of real world history or of any kind of reality....XClimb back into your mysterious world of insane propoganda and imagination...go back to sleep....oxygen thief...

Great points.

What is it that you disagree with exactly? Or do you just have telling insults for me?

The last time the Reserve changed hands was WW2. Sterling to US Dollar.

Thats some history for ya Let that roll around in there for a while.

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by shadowman09
You sir,,are a jackass and a loser....You have no inkling of real world history or of any kind of reality....XClimb back into your mysterious world of insane propoganda and imagination...go back to sleep....oxygen thief...

Great points.

What is it that you disagree with exactly? Or do you just have telling insults for me?

The last time the Reserve changed hands was WW2. Sterling to US Dollar.

Thats some history for ya

Let that roll around in there for a while.

Not to point out the obvious... but I give Germanicus a S&F, simply for the fact that he has brought some great conversations to the table.

Also, because of his antics, EVERYBODY got stars just for simply disagreeing with him, as it seems.



creating all these stars huh, some might call that playing God!

reply to post by Germanicus


Interesting article, and I have to admit the man has a point. The CIA did use companies like Hughes and Rockefeller foundation as fronts. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if that's what was going on here with Greenpeace tying them up in courts there, but I don't see any hard evidence, personally, of that in that article. Maybe I'm missing it, but that reads like a he-said, she-said. Does Clive Palmer have proof that the Rockefeller foundation is giving money to fund these legal cases on behalf of Greenpeace, or is it his opnion?

reply to post by princeofpeace


Have you not noticed that western leaders are afraid of your Government? heads up. They are. They are all puppets. We have all seen what happens to countries if they refuse to follow US orders.

We are not your friend. You are a bully. As soon as it is safe for nations to file in behind China there will be a rush. Your Government is a jerk. Nothing personal. You guys should have kept it in check. If not for your own sake then for ours. As the sole superpower, your public had many benifits. you also had a responsibility. Im not sure if its egocentricity or lack of empathy but then again, you spend more time talking about cutting people from welfare and drug testing people on 'food stamps' than you do on anything constructive. It is too late for you guys is what it looks like. Will it really be so bad to be like the rest of us? I know you guys think you are better than the rest of us but still.....its not so bad. you will see. You do have to manage your economy though. That will take some getting used to for you guys Id imagine.

reply to post by princeofpeace


Exactly.

When Australia's government fails to follow the will of the people, somehow it's America's fault.

When the American government fails to follow the will of the people, somehow it's the American people's fault.

He refuses to blame his own country for anything, he is basically saying his country is so weak and lacks any sense of direction that they will forever be beholden to more powerful countries, and therefore none of the blame rests on his country.

And when China runs his country, he'll find out that China doesn't give a rats ass about Australia, or the Australian people. When he becomes a second, or third class citizen in his own country because rich Chinese are now the ruling class, he still probably won't be able to see what's going on. He'll be happy to lick dirt off the Chinese's boots for 1 dollar a week because his hatred for everything and everyone that isn't himself or China has made him more blind than Stevie Wonder

Originally posted by BobM88
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Interesting article, and I have to admit the man has a point. The CIA did use companies like Hughes and Rockefeller foundation as fronts. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if that's what was going on here with Greenpeace tying them up in courts there, but I don't see any hard evidence, personally, of that in that article. Maybe I'm missing it, but that reads like a he-said, she-said. Does Clive Palmer have proof that the Rockefeller foundation is giving money to fund these legal cases on behalf of Greenpeace, or is it his opnion?

I think if you do an ATS search you would find many people claiming it is a CIA front for different reasons. Im not sure if there is hard proof but it just seems pretty obvious because of different things.

Originally posted by Germanicus
The last time the Reserve changed hands was WW2. Sterling to US Dollar.

Thats some history for ya

Let that roll around in there for a while.

If it does eventually happen again I'll practically guarantee you it wont be replaced by any of the BRICS countries currencies that's for damn sure.

Hell, I don't even see your beloved China ranked in the top 5

From your source

Yes Australia,do enjoy your Chinese overlords.I'm sure they can use your land and resources.Ask the Tibetans who are self-immolating themselves rather than live under Chinese brutality.

Originally posted by Germanicus
Or maybe you guys could vote for someone that is not Republican or democrat. You think? Worth a shot I would imagine. It is at that stage dont you all think?

What a great idea! How about we try that HERE first.......oh, wait...that doesn't work, remember?

Maybe, just maybe the US has the same issue that your vote basically means squat. No matter who you vote for, you get the "Same Ol', Same Ol'".

reply to post by Stonesplitter


Sadly that's true. I really like Ron Paul, and there's some that say he really has more delegates than Romney, or that he's been defrauded in the primaries and is going to take it to court...I don't know. But I do know that regardless of how popular Paul was this cycle, the "machine" still made sure he couldn't win. That's at least how it seemed to me.

As for Germanicus, I don't agree with everything he says, and I really don't like reading some of it, lol, but I do like that reading what he says gives me a perspective of the US I'm unaccustomed to. He's also got some really interesting points.

reply to post by SLAYER69


"My source is the first article that came up when I googled 'reserve currency allows America to print money' I am not spending too much time on this looking for good sources. i am trying to warn you but I just know this stuff. I have been into this stuff for a while. I am not some troll trying to annoy americans as much as many of you seem to think. I honestly think the US will be destroyed very soon one way or another. The reserve staus is central.

What is the article about though? I didnt even read it. I find most of these people that write that stuff are morons. It is not hard to see things for ourselves. I do not need some moron telling me what to think. seems most do these days. Im pretty sure the article was about the genuine concern that the US Dollar could be unseated.

The graph is irrelevant but I am guessing you are taking it out of context. i just checked and you are. You are exhausting btw. The article I linked links back to a wiki site giving the consolation that the US still retains 61% of foriegn exchange reserves. News Flash, thats a bad thing for a so called 'superpower'. The US Dollar is in a precarious position to say the least and you know it. And who is helping you? China They keep lending you cash dont they? Because you just cant stop spending can you? You guys are a run away train. Out of control. Where will you stop? How? The BRICS have agreed to trade amongst themselves and avoid your dollar already. So have the ALBA nations. So have many others. The writing is on the wall. Face it. It will be soon. The BRICS are trying to bring the next GFC forward. That will be end game.


china is a loan shark btw. They are not really helping.

Originally posted by BobM88
reply to post by Stonesplitter

 

Sadly that's true. I really like Ron Paul, and there's some that say he really has more delegates than Romney, or that he's been defrauded in the primaries and is going to take it to court...I don't know.

Vote Independent.....

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by grubblesnert
reply to post by Germanicus

 

yes the chinese will definately like a young anglo like you

What reason do have to believe they will treat the world any worse than the United States?

The world also needs a leader that is responsible and can manage their economy. The United states has shown they are incompetent. Their economy is a mess and it looks like it cant be fixed. They had all the cards and still failed.

It appears young mr. manicus's mood has darkened

reply to post by sonnny1


Hmmm...I may have just found a new candidate to support... I liked what he had to say in his ads. I'm off to his site!

reply to post by sonnny1


Hell yeah. Thats what I am trying to say.

We all need to send a message to the traditional parties. I actually do think America can fix things but not with Obama or Romney. It will be hard but look at Europe. They are champions. They are turning away from the major parties. its all we can really do. We know we cant trust the major parties. I know that Jerry White is a bridge too far for most americans at this stage but Johnson is a good option. Word of mouth and the internet can still win out. The website americanselect is still an option to show support. Conditions are still perfect for a third party to win even though Ron Paul looks done. It is still possible. think back to the early GOP polls. Opinion can change overnight. Obama and Romney can be beaten.

My new favorite drinking game is to take a shot every time Germanicus says "China is our friend."

Alcohol poisoning guaranteed.

reply to post by BobM88


I agree. It's disheartening to see what appeared to be the most straight up, down to earth guy (RP that is!) get hammered like he has. Good guys don't win (at least not yet)

As for Germanicus, a lot of the points he puts across are legit. But it's unfair to lump this on the American people and insult them in the process. My opinion is you guys are in the dark as much as the rest of us.