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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Most of your posts have to do with your hatred for America, yet you sure spend a lot of your time talking about us and what you wish for.


How do I hate America? You sound like a liberal. That is a liberal tactic to avoid sensible debate.

It is clear that the US Government has failed as superpower. In my opinion China would do a much better job. How does that mean I "hate" america. I also do not think the US military can win WW3. That is my honest opinion. How does that mean I hate America?

Just because I do not think America is great does not mean I "hate" it. I know many of you think its the 'greatest' but in my opinion, it is the worst place in the world. You have Tent Cities and homeless people and half your population of Food Stamps yet there is no need. I find American society to be uncivilized and uncultured. That does not mean that I "hate" America.

And it is obvious that the US Government has failed as superpower. We do not need the United States. It is clear. You have no right to the Reserve Status.imagine for a second what would happen to the US Dollar if it was unseated as Reserve. You have no right to it. You are ripping the rest of the world off. That does not mean I hate america.

So if someone thinks that America should not be superpower, that means they are 'anti-american'




posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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What will replace the USD as a reserve and when?

A basket of currencies has been suggested.

I see no one country as able to do it besides the US anytime soon.

Euro will fail, and flight to dollar will happen bigtime.

Isn't this game about the last men standing?

You don't think the US will stand when it's all said and done?

I'm not sure either way.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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I don't think they would have won then, or now, and I agree with you about the robust backbone of America. I grew up in Missouri, and I live on the Georgia/Florida line now. I don't have any friends that are without a closet full of guns and ammo, LOL!

BUT, I think we are less robust now than we were a few decades ago.

I also think it is a HUGE mistake to assume

from what I can only assume would be an army of retards from a foreign land, ever emerged one thing about them the invaders


Why? There are plenty of highly trained warriors in other nations. I know for a fact that Russia and Israel have extreme warriors that can compete with any of our best. Putin himself is one of those warriors!! Ex-KGB, Sambo champion, and all-around badass? You don't think he could lead some badass troops?

If a country decided to try and invade our country, you better believe they will be at their best and highly motivated. Also, one of Sun Tzu's strategies was to immerse the troops in a foreign land where their only choice was to fight to survive. They may not agree with the war, but they'll fight to stay alive and get back home! Maybe our own government even uses a little of that to motivate our troops?

I'm not trying to say that the US could easily be invaded, but those people assuming we are invincible, impenetrable or that foreign troops are retarded are hugely mistaken.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by Germanicus
 


What will replace the USD as a reserve and when?

A basket of currencies has been suggested.

I see no one country as able to do it besides the US anytime soon.

Euro will fail, and flight to dollar will happen bigtime.

Isn't this game about the last men standing?

You don't think the US will stand when it's all said and done?

I'm not sure either way.


The BRICS will create a currency and the power will make its final shift to the East. The next GFC will kick it off if war does not come first. The BRICS have created their own Bank for the specific reason of unseating the dollar. They already avoid it. So do the ALBA nations and many others. There is a reason the US people are losing wealth. Economic warfare is happening this second and has been happening for a while. The capital has all moved to the East. The Reserve Status will make the new Rome official.

The BRICS are the future. The beast in the easts time has come.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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The BRICS are the future. The beast in the easts time has come.


I agree, but I think this Euro crisis has set them back a decade or so. Just a year ago the BRIC looked inevitable, but now it is on the back burner again as the dollar strengthens.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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If BRICS becomes competitive with the USD, it will join with other economies and the beginning of unions will be formed.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by mamabeth
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The U.S. could be invaded by a conventional military if these
troops were already here...foreign troops doing training exercises!
No, they couldn't. They would have to be resupplied. They would starve and run out of fuel and ammo in 30 days or less. Logistics is key.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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the ability to do something doesn't mean one should do it. they are retarded if they ever find themselves in the process of invading this land.

the notion that America should be invaded is absurd.

the accusations against the US are obviously false and the people that make them are pathological liars.

a man spends years perfecting whatever skill he possesses.

only for it to be used in an act of home invasion, armed robbery and murder against people that probably did nothing at all?

he'd have to be a retard to be used in such ways.

anyone that would participate in such an adventure is a mental defective.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45
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Not very likely scenario, but what if Mexico and Canada decided they wanted to split the U.S. They are connected to America.
Be serious. Canada has a total population of ~10% of ours. So, they are out. Mexico has enough people, and enough desperate people at that, but again logistics makes it impossible. Mexico lacks even the military capacity of France or Italy. Take a look at the performance of those nations during the NATO bombing of Libya. Within days they had spent all of their bomb/air to ground missile stocks and we had to resupply them. It would be even worse for Mexico. A conventional invasion is not possible. OTOH, it is unnecessary. We could be easily defeated through unconventional means. Where our very strengths could be used against us.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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i've seen their unconventional methods...the real ones, not the popular ones.

and they aren't any better.

last July 19, an attempt was made to invade the United States.

the invader, found itself running from the cops by the end of the day.

the world has nothing on the US.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by DarthMuerte
 


i've seen their unconventional methods...the real ones, not the popular ones.

and they aren't any better.

last July 19, an attempt was made to invade the United States.

the invader, found itself running from the cops by the end of the day.

the world has nothing on the US.
We have had this discussion before IIRC. I could defeat the USA with three Liberian flagged tramp freighters, 2-3 billion dollars, and access to a trustworthy Russian or Chinese general in their strategic rocket forces. I would fuel the freighters, gather some jihadists who were willing to win their 72 virgins, buy 3 scuds modified to launch from a freighter, and load three emp capable nuclear warheads onto the scuds. A coordinated launch over the right areas would cripple the US and most of the population would be dead within 1-3 months. Most due to starvation, lack of needed medicines, or hostile civilian upon civilian action.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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That's what Charles Taylor said.

doesn't matter how magnificent and skillful is the crime against humanity you commit.

all that matters is that it is a crime against humanity. genocide perhaps.

its amazing to me that people think that if they kill a whole bunch of people that its somehow different than killing one person.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by DarthMuerte
 


That's what Charles Taylor said.

doesn't matter how magnificent and skillful is the crime against humanity you commit.

all that matters is that it is a crime against humanity. genocide perhaps.

its amazing to me that people think that if they kill a whole bunch of people that its somehow different than killing one person.

What are you talking about? I am just showing you that the US can be defeated through unconventional means. I am not supporting such an act.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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i'm just telling you that your plan is not one for victory, but only a minor inconvenience for the target.

dirt based technology is no match for energy based technology.

energy based technology, which many of you refuse to accept the existence of and have no background in, would sweep every one of your rocks from the sea, air, land and space if needed.

take a good look at the world...people carrying rocks aren't performing well at all.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
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i'm just telling you that your plan is not one for victory, but only a minor inconvenience for the target.

dirt based technology is no match for energy based technology.

energy based technology, which many of you refuse to accept the existence of and have no background in, would sweep every one of your rocks from the sea, air, land and space if needed.

take a good look at the world...people carrying rocks aren't performing well at all.
Ok, enlighten me. What do you mean by "energy based technology"?



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
How do I hate America? You sound like a liberal. That is a liberal tactic to avoid sensible debate.


I find that calling someone "a liberal" in spite of being ignorant to their political preferences is a tactic to avoid sensible debate. Hate, meaning a passionate dislike. This is easily realized from your posting history. If hatred is too strong a word for you, I will not use it.


In my opinion China would do a much better job.


China will not be a super power. China is overly glorified only on the internet by wishful thinkers. Their economy is worse than the US by far. But hey, maybe eventually they will wise up and stop building entire cities that no one will ever live in.


It is clear that the US Government has failed as superpower.


And yet we are still top dog, regardless of your opinion. Strange, isn't it?


I know many of you think its the 'greatest' but in my opinion, it is the worst place in the world.




Maybe you should leave Australia sometime. I don't care if you hate America or if you love America, you can not disagree on how retarded of a statement that is. Please, rethink what you just said.


You have Tent Cities and homeless people and half your population of Food Stamps yet there is no need.


You are acting like tent cities are a common occurrence.....they're not.
Half? About 1/4.

As far as your comment on American society....I can tell you I lived in your country for a little over a year and a half and there is no difference, as much as you'd like to think so. There are assholes in America, and assholes in Australia. There are uneducated people in America, there an uneducated people in Australia. Again, maybe you should put your hatred for our country aside. Visit America (somewhere away from large cities) and talk to some average people. I can tell your hatred runs deep when you are no longer arguing the politics, but arguing about the people of the country.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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the easiest way to explain it is by suggesting that the Reality that would have to exist for a 'conventional' invasion to occur can be easily prevented from ever emerging.

the boats, the men, the weapons, the plan, the motivation can all exist.

but the underlying conditions that could move it forward could be altered, changed and/or controlled; preventing it.

many on this site and in these forums would like to believe the world is ripe for such an event as the invasion of the United States.

no such thing is even close to being possible...i think you'd have better luck winning the Mega Millions lottery than creating the necessary conditions for an invasion of the United States.

that being said...there are people that attempt, have attempted, to create the conditions...but they are met, in 'the field' as a manner of speaking, and their failures lead to the destruction of entire Armies.

Gaddafi was more than just a man, Hussein, bin Laden, etc. etc. etc. were all needed for an invasion of America to occur...none of this remains. Someone said earlier:

NATO ran out of ammunition fighting Gaddafi. Rocks don't kill some people.

Why do you think the Taliban still exist?

Energy based concepts applied in war. Rocks will not get every job done.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by getreadyalready
 

a man spends years perfecting whatever skill he possesses.

only for it to be used in an act of home invasion, armed robbery and murder against people that probably did nothing at all?

he'd have to be a retard to be used in such ways.

anyone that would participate in such an adventure is a mental defective


why did we invade iraq/afghanistan/libya, shooting missiles from drones at somalia and yemen?
we did the same thing...

LOL, using the death star reference is terrible IMO,
""Any attack made by the Rebels against this station would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained.""

*obtains technical data"

*DEATH STAR EXPLODES

Death Star = America.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by getreadyalready
 


the ability to do something doesn't mean one should do it. they are retarded if they ever find themselves in the process of invading this land.

the notion that America should be invaded is absurd.

the accusations against the US are obviously false and the people that make them are pathological liars.

a man spends years perfecting whatever skill he possesses.

only for it to be used in an act of home invasion, armed robbery and murder against people that probably did nothing at all?

he'd have to be a retard to be used in such ways.

anyone that would participate in such an adventure is a mental defective.


What does that say about our soldiers?

Does the average Iraqi or Afghani think our presence was necessary? Even if it once was, is it still necessary? How many homes, weddings, funerals have been destroyed by our troops following bad intel on some corporate/government agenda?

I Love Our Troops, and I want to see them come home safe as soon as possible, but why would an invading military be retarded while our guys overseas are not? Do you think any soldier chooses or enjoys kicking down doors and harassing civilians when they could be safe at home with their own family?

You have entirely bought in to the false dichotomy of us vs. them. Everything we do is justified, everything they do is retarded or criminal?


Listen all the way through this song. It's supposedly a true WWI story.


Google Video Link


The google embed isn't working on my computer, so here is a youtube version. Same song, just not performed live.

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