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Obama amnesty insults all immigrants who waited in line

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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Yeah that's nice. I'm an immigrant and I strongly oppose what's being done with immigration.

When my family was coming to the USA, due to the war in the Balkans last millennium, we had to wait and wait and wait; and go to embassies and go through various interviews. During this time we lived, not really in a camp, but on location with other refugees in Austria. We got rationed food.

Then when it was time to come to USA, seeking political asylum as refugees, we took a LOAN from the US government for the plane tickets used to bring us here. We covered other travel and relocation expenses with that loan, and then had to pay BACK that loan as soon as a family member got a job, which was 3-4 months after arrival. So we started USA with a hefty debt.

It's nice to know that was all BS since you can come here without paying any money, taking any loans, any interviews or legal processes, be a burden on the society, get free health care and then get amnesty because why? Well, no reason -- there is no ethnic cleansing there, no wars (they should deal with their own cartels and I don't count that as a war), no political asylum sought, and it seems they live under similar conditions here and there -- AND they will be able to travel freely back and forth to the country they escaped from and be able to take all the income out of our circulation and across the border if they choose to.

This has nothing to do with human rights and has everything to do with cheap (read: slave) labor.

Damn, I really don't want to vote for any of the SCUM that are running for office.


Khar




posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Seems like you are being blinded by your irrational hate towards these people. They were brought here as children and it's not their fault, they were just following their parents just like any 10 or 8 year old would.. They grew up here.

This is just a work permit, allowing them to get a job with NO PATH TOWARDS CITIZENSHIP.


"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


This is America, we don't punish people because of the action of their parents.

I gladly welcome these people because they have experienced first hand what America is about.


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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by wagnificent
Every sovereign has the ability to grant amnesty and to pardon, and virtually all of them use it. Why do they have this power? Because there are circumstances wherein laws cause unfortunate/unintended consequences.


Sovereigns (Monarch, King, ect) yes, Presidents no! Your use of the term Sovereign betrays you. Look up your term.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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When I first came across this topic I went off on a bit of a tantrum over the amnesty claim without reading the entire article - outraged by the thought that those who entered the country illegally were literally being rewarded compared to those following the legal immigration process.

Now that I have read all that is available regarding this I jumped the gun.

But I am still waiting to find out the details of the work permit. Going through the legal immigration process and waiting for a decision on a motion to reopen my husband is unable to work (no work authorization and unlike those undocumented aliens who come here to work) working without authorization while traversing the legal immigration system can result in a denial of benefits and a ban from the country.

We were told we could expect a response any day now, hoping so because we can either wait for him to obtain his green card which authorizes him to work, or pay 380.00 in fee's for a work permit.

I have had to prove an income level above a certain amount and provide proof of support which proves my income is sufficient to ensure he will not become a public charge and serves as a contract with the government that if he receives assistance in the form of "means tested public benefits" I will reimburse the government.(not to mention all the fee's etc.

I am of the opinion that if we are required to pay 380.00 in fee's for my husband to be allowed the privilege of working in the US the same should apply for them.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Not for nothing , but I can come and go as I please.....I can leave..one of the perks of being a global busy body.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Again, as posted before, Im a global busy body, I call no particular country my home. I just can't stand weak immigration laws that destroy a country from within.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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Well there's a timely response...I just received the aforementioned response to our Motion to reopen after previously mentioned screw-ups on their part including assigning the same A number as my husband's to someone else in another state. They denied our Motion but informed us we can send them another $1070.00 and reapply for his green card.

Maybe we should have ignored the immigration laws in the first place, we're sol now as we are on their radar and lists



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter

Obama insults us All, just so he can get some votes...


Blah blah - - - ah yes - - I am an American Daughter too. My paternal ancestry - - Pennsylvania Deutsch - - arrived mid 1700s.

I grew up in Los Angeles - - very Hispanic. I now live on the US/Mex border.

I also spent a lot of time in Gardena. Very Asian.

I choose the Human factor. Kids who grew up as Americans. Here by force - - not by choice.

This is not amnesty - - - but an opportunity for kids who are American in every way but a piece of paper.




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.....every post you make causes me to like you just "that much" more!!! Very interesting lady!
Thank you for "being you".



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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I for one completely disagree with the OP on this.

My wife is Canadian. We did it legally. Yet, I know what's best for our Country despite my personal feelings.
Amnesty is the first step in getting these illegal immigrants "into the system" as it were. Once we know who they are, they can be taxed. Illegal immigration right now taxes those of us who do it right (normal legal tax payers) because we have to pay for their services (welfare, wic, healthcare etc).

If we spend money to "boot" the illegal immigrants, then the tax payer suffers.
If we keep them here but don't get them "into the system" the tax payer suffers.
Amnesty is the first step to getting illegal immigrants to identify themselves, and then get them immigrated into the system so they can be taxed and be normal citizens.

I know your offended...personally it offends me too. However, blame the illegal immigrants, not the Government or President Obama (of who for the record I am not a big fan). As much as I hate to say it, Obama is doing the right thing here.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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I kind of see why you feel as you do American Daughter annee; I too, feel for the children but yes, this Is about amnesty. Who do you think will be taking care of these children when their illegal immigrant parents are busted for id theft, for other crimes or for being here illegally? How are they going to know who meets requirements? To qualify the parents need to be illegal!
Who will take care of these children? America already supports from birth, a bunch of anchor babies and or we keep the parents here instead of deporting them because of the kids.
Illegals are Counting on staying here with their children and so is obama.
I choose the human factor too, and am tired of over crowed schools and jobs lost to citizens that illegal immigrant parents get. All an illegal has to do is bring their families here and keep from getting deported long enough to get under obama's wing, then play the "I'm a parent and need to stay with my child" sympathy card while law abiding people with children wait in line to do things the right way.
It's the illegal immigrant parents who 'choose' to put their kids and us in this position. We take in a very lot of immigrants already and if there is responsibility it lays on the parents. Be upset at them not American citizens.
Sorry about the children brought here but they are young and can adapt to their native homeland.
This Is about amnesty and obama has no right to just grant it to them.
And it Is an insult to American citizens and all immigrants who waited in line

People under 30 who came to the United States before the age of 16 should have applied for citizenship by now ...
800,000 people today is tomorrow's millionS



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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I say to every illegal, - "Go thru the process like everyone else waiting to get into the great country legally, and if that won’t work for you, enlist in any branch of our great military for 4 years, and become an American citizen automatically"!



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
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I kind of see why you feel as you do American Daughter annee; I too, feel for the children but yes, this Is about amnesty.


NO - - its about an opportunity to become a citizen - - for kids that had no choice in coming here.

Were raised in this country as American - - - and it is the only country they know.


Who do you think will be taking care of these children when their illegal immigrant parents are busted for id theft, for other crimes or for being here illegally?


This is not really directed at young children - - who in many cases would return to their own country with their parent(s). Or they might be put in the care of a relative.

This is directed mainly at those who are becoming legal adults - - high school graduates - - and college age


America already supports from birth, a bunch of anchor babies and or we keep the parents here instead of deporting them because of the kids.


So does every other country.

You aren't getting any where with me by attacking Obama.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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enlist in any branch of our great military for 4 years


Many probably would. However, they can't legally do it.



Enlistment into the U.S. Navy, or any branch of the U.S. military, by citizens of countries other than the United States is limited to those foreign nationals who are legally residing in the United States and possess an Immigration and Naturalization Service Alien Registration Card (INS Form I-151/551 � commonly known as a "Green Card"). Applicants must be between 17 and 35; meet the mental, moral, and physical standards for enlistment; and must speak, read and write English fluently.


www.navy.mil...



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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NO - - its about an opportunity to become a citizen - - for kids that had no choice in coming here. Were raised in this country as American - - - and it is the only country they know.


I wish the people screaming Amnesty would go out and find some of these people who qualify so that they can see for themselves that these kids with no papers act just as American as the ones who do have papers.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
As to "legal" immigrants being angry over this.

If anyone is angry over someone else's good fortune...then they have a very deep character flaw within themselves.


Nah, straw man attack.

I hope you see the dilema in the word "illegal"? The POTUS' main job is to secure the borders. With this executive order all laws on the book are meaningless. This is a very troubling step in American presidential history.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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As sensitive as a topic this may be, I think it will never be resolved. Cheap unskilled labor and H1 visas both give employers the power of slave owners (you are FIRED ... and DEPORTED ... with your whole family!!!)

We need to legalize all illegals, BUT... make them pay hefty fines, force them to pay all back taxes, all legal fees and whatever else they consumed without paying for (out of our tax money). Only after that put them on a temporary work permit and if they don't commit any crimes give them a Greencard after 10 years.

This amnesty law MUST include serious funding for hiring border patrol and funding border states.

I agree on the humanitarian aspect. But we already have enough uneducated US citizens and we don't need more! We should instead try to invite the brightest minds from all over the world and give them Greencards and easy citizenship paths.

If we keep doing the same mistakes (which we most likely will) the US won't be a world leader for much longer but rather a third world country where the illegals will overwhelm the tax payers and end up in racial wars.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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Immigration is not just an American issue. It is happening all over the world.

People are more mobile. People want better jobs and better opportunities. People want better food - better schools - better government - - etc.

It helps to read news sites around the world - - to avoid isolated thinking.

I picked a country at random - - Scotland. This article is from 2007 - - if anything the issues have escalated.


IMMIGRATION - by Tom Brown Sunday, 04 November 2007

FACE IT - IMMIGRATION IS A PROBLEM. WE may not agree on much but can we please agree on one thing? Just because I am about to write about immigration, I am not a racist. Anyone who knows the make-up of my own family can confirm that.

The influx of migrants is, of course, fertile territory for racist bigots. But politicians who have pussy-footed around the subject for too long, mouthing politically-correct platitudes are also to blame for turning what might have been a manageable problem into a hot issue. By failing to face up to the reality of mass immigration into this country – note the word ‘mass’, not immigration of itself and definitely excluding asylum seekers – and then suddenly waking up to the implications, they have contributed to the impression of a growing crisis. Ten years ago, a mere three per cent of us thought immigration was a crucial concern; now because of the cloud-cuckoo-land approach (which some would call cowardice), getting on for half think it is an issue. www.tombrownscotland.com...



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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

This is directed mainly at those who are becoming legal adults - - high school graduates - - and college age


You honestly don't see this as an issue? That the child of an illegal immigrant has managed to live and be raised, educated on the public dime for as many as 12 years without his/her immigration status or the legal status of their parents becoming an issue legally....

The system of amnesty cities and local governments that turn a blind eye to the plundering of our tax dollars in the name of political correctness and "for the good of the children" has enabled this very problem to exist in the first place.

If we would just validate legal status at enrollment age we could boot them all out before they become American's all but in legal terms. These poor "victims of circumstance" would not get to the age of majority illegally leaching off the US taxpayer if the system checked their status at the beginning.

Simply verifying a person’s status before giving them a public education is good business and the minimum I expect from our public servants. The illegal immigrants who would steal an education (or any other aid) for their children at my expense are compounding their illegal status with the crime of theft - stealing my tax dollars.

I expect my government representatives to protect me from thievery.

Public education is a benefit of citizenship not a right conferred to everyone who happens to sneak in under the wire.

This situation has gotten way out of hand and never needed to get to this point if our stewards in office were indeed careful and mindful of how they spend our tax dollars.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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people on this thread are upset that our tax dollars are being wasted on immigrants.

i am upset that our tax dollars are wasted funding wars.

-subfab



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by subfab
people on this thread are upset that our tax dollars are being wasted on immigrants.

i am upset that our tax dollars are wasted funding wars.

-subfab


Noted - the thread is about illegal immigration not military spending. You are free to make a thread about your problems with military funding. It will likely generate discussion.

However, to opine on the topic in this thread does not necessarily mean one is a supporter or endorses our current military spending and the way we use or deploy our forces.

To imply that people who are opining about this topic somehow don't care about military spending is disingenuous at best and has little to contribute to the discussion at hand.



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