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UFO's, Aliens and Religeon, a question to you all.

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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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I have been wondering and as well as reading various threads on ATS and other sites across the interweb and a thought crossed my mind.
People say that UFO's and Aliens will not be disclosed to the masses for various reasons, either its TPTB do not want us to realise we are not alone in the Universe and see any visitation as either a threat to their control or the technology they seem to want to own, to it will have serious religeous impliciations so I thought about this question for a few days and I couldn't think of any other reason than this , loss of control of the people.

Should Aliens from space reveal themselves to us HOW will it impact religeously on people?

After all people say God created us and the world and if there is a God ( myself being a Pagan is besides the point I would LOVE for Aliens to come forward and say Hi) surely he/she/it/they must have created others in the vastness of space so HOW would that affect the Religeons of the world?

So please give me your take on it, and why it would affect YOUR worshipful practices? Don't forget to say which religeon you are and what bearing Aliens would have and if it would shatter your religeous beliefs and how?.

We have contact with species alien to us practically on a daily basis, and its all Terrestrial, a new species of fish, flora, fauna, lost Amazon tribe etc and they are new to us and yet we don't see them as scary or going to take over our minds or enslave us do we? so what difference is it if it comes from outside our atmosphere?

This isn't a thread to say that Aliens ARE demons as there is currently no concrete proof of either so please don't troll by quoting Bible/Qu'ran passages and how Aliens are demonspawn sent to enslave our souls as there are plenting of threads already on that subject. Or if you do want to claim Alien life forms are Demonic then please provide proof ( not written in Religeous books ) , Thanks.



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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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It would force a rethink in religion.
Honestly, for the better i would hope. I am not anti-religion, i respect people can choose for themselves. But religion does need an alignment, along the same path and working together towards the betterment of humanity.

I want them to bring knowledge.
Or to bring the world to its knees, because honestly. What's happening on this planet is small nuts in comparison to the universe around us.
Hell, they might even prove that our 'god' is really them, and that their god is the true god (god = source = divine, whatever you wanna call it). Could be fun!



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:42 AM
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In my opinion aliens are just masked spirits. I believe they will reveal themselves as aliens from a distant universe when the time is right in a last attempt to pull humanity into a big illusion that "man is god" and that we "humans" can transform into "higher, enlightened beings", if we just give up our religions and everything that holds us back.

The truth of the matter is that these so called "aliens" are not from a distant universe, rather they are from the same place we are from. Don't be fooled. Do your research people of ATS.

I fear that this plan will trick the masses.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Their lives wouldn't affect mine until they gave me a good reason to have it affected. Their simply being here? Complete non-issue.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by AzureSky
It would force a rethink in religion.
Honestly, for the better i would hope. I am not anti-religion, i respect people can choose for themselves. But religion does need an alignment, along the same path and working together towards the betterment of humanity.

I want them to bring knowledge.
Or to bring the world to its knees, because honestly. What's happening on this planet is small nuts in comparison to the universe around us.
Hell, they might even prove that our 'god' is really them, and that their god is the true god (god = source = divine, whatever you wanna call it). Could be fun!


Glad to see other people with respect for others religious beliefs. Sounds exactly like my own views. Aliens don't disprove God. In fact I would dare to say they make it more plausible. I don't know why God would create billions of galaxies in this universe if little old Earth is the only place life has evolved.

I saw a thread on ATS not to long ago with the idea that God used evolution to get to where we are today. Makes sense and bridges the gap between science and faith quite nicely.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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People would have to come to grips with their faith, If anything it might actually be a good thing, and remind the Human species, that we are one species. Its religion that has seperated so many different cultures, Im in no way bashing religion, and I dont care what faith you practice, I just think if We had a 100% proof of other species not inhabiting this planet, that many would rethink there world around them, a true awakening



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Auburn2012
In my opinion aliens are just masked spirits. I believe they will reveal themselves as aliens from a distant universe when the time is right in a last attempt to pull humanity into a big illusion that "man is god" and that we "humans" can transform into "higher, enlightened beings", if we just give up our religions and everything that holds us back.

The truth of the matter is that these so called "aliens" are not from a distant universe, rather they are from the same place we are from. Don't be fooled. Do your research people of ATS.

I fear that this plan will trick the masses.
edit on 15-6-2012 by Auburn2012 because: (no reason given)


One could say humans are masked spirits contained in our bodies. Whats their endgame by the deception?



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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That sounds a lot like the "Ori" from the Stargate SG-1 series...



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Auburn2012
In my opinion aliens are just masked spirits. I believe they will reveal themselves as aliens from a distant universe when the time is right in a last attempt to pull humanity into a big illusion that "man is god" and that we "humans" can transform into "higher, enlightened beings", if we just give up our religions and everything that holds us back.

The truth of the matter is that these so called "aliens" are not from a distant universe, rather they are from the same place we are from. Don't be fooled. Do your research people of ATS.

I fear that this plan will trick the masses.
edit on 15-6-2012 by Auburn2012 because: (no reason given)


Yes, aliens are demons, as I have stated multiple times on ATS. They have an agenda, and it is not to the benefit of humans. The big deception is coming, and if you are not grounded in the Holy Bible, you will likely get sucked in.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by cconn487One could say humans are masked spirits contained in our bodies. Whats their endgame by the deception?


The endgame is judgment and being thrown into the Lake of Fire. The demons/aliens want to take as many of us with them as they can, by deceiving us. On the other hand, I believe they are trying, with all those abductions and bio-illogical probings and experiments, to produce hybrids as they did before the Great Flood, and also to insinuate themselves into the human genome, so that they can demand salvation when Jesus returns. He will not be fooled, and they know it, but they are desperate.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by cconn487
One could say humans are masked spirits contained in our bodies. Whats their endgame by the deception?


Well, they want to deceive mankind by making the entire population believe that God has been disproved and that mankind can be god themselves.. Never before has such a lie ever been formed from the deepest depths of hell.

Because when "so called aliens" are revealed, mankind will think to themselves "hey! look what we can do if we just give up our religions and our old way of thinking!" - well.. it all sounds good at first glance, but true religious people will not give in so easily and this will cause people to hate Christians and such.

The end game in my opinion is a religious hatred among the masses.. possibly a war in the future?
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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For my two cents - this is off the top of my head, so please forgive my lack of "link references" for my statements - opinion piece only...

1) The first point is regarding the concept of "The Other." Aliens represent the "other" - if you look throughout our history, we humans have pretty much always seen "the other" as a threat - to our lives, our beliefs, our resources, etc. It is the foundation of prejudice.

Look at Japanese Internment during WWII, the way the Chinese were kept from immigrating to the US by law for a while due to fears about their cultural impact, the way Europeans treated the Native Americans when they arrived here with more advanced technology, and how we were welcomed by some Native Am. groups to their ultimate disadvantage. We know how wonderfully Africans were treated and portrayed in our American history, from enslavement and dehumanization, to impoverishment and Jim Crow laws - we have come a long way on this, but it ain't over yet. The Jewish people in Europe were made into "The Other" by the Nazis and, well, we know what happened there, too. Israel v. Palestinians. Islamic extremists/leadership v. Israel. Whether or not gay people will be seen as an "us" or a "them" in our society in regards to marriage.

So, long story short, it isn't just about our religious beliefs, it is the hard-wiring for fear of "The Other" that a large portion of our society has. Some people are more open to new experiences and hold a view of more interconnectedness between "all people" or "all things" whereas other people "circle the wagons" around their close relatives, their religious community, or others they deem "safe" and "known." They are two different ways of seeing the world. The "wagon circle" is sort of like an external immune system, really, that reads threat in everything that seems different. It is about protection of the self, those close to us, and one's way of life.

And to be clear - both views have their place. Sometimes "the other" might actually be a threat, and sometimes we are over-reacting to the point of extreme injustice and criminal behaviors of the absolute most debased kind in order to "protect" ourselves from something perceived as a threat. (i.e. we are in reality the threat to the Other - not visa versa)

2) The second point is Power. If Aliens come and have all this cool new technology, and perhaps an understanding of our history that we are not aware of, along with a greater knowledge of the universe, it is threatening to the closely held beliefs of a religion and the people in power can be afraid they will lose their grip on their flock.

3) The third point, is again fear-based. There are people who genuinely see Aliens as a threat to their souls and who label aliens as "demons," Aliens-as-demons then become part of the great drama of good vs. evil in the world. This is then part of the great battle of a religious person for their own and others salvation, and so it garners a passionate response.

So there you have it. I personally hope for a positive future including peoples from other worlds. I hope "speciesism" doesn't become our approach to sentient life from off-world. Caution and care, as well as rational self-protection, in dealing with the unknown is a good approach, out-right prejudice and fear is not, imo. (Hmmm - perhaps 'rational self-protection, caution and care' is how the aliens are dealing with us, assuming they are visiting???)

peace,
AB



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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All the BELIEF that surrounds UFOs is a RELIGION. I call it "a scientific religion" .

OP, I mean no disrespect, but it sounds like, "What will the world do when they find out that Mohamed is real and Jesus ain't?"

It sounds just like that.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Auburn2012
In my opinion aliens are just masked spirits. I believe they will reveal themselves as aliens from a distant universe when the time is right in a last attempt to pull humanity into a big illusion that "man is god" and that we "humans" can transform into "higher, enlightened beings", if we just give up our religions and everything that holds us back.

The truth of the matter is that these so called "aliens" are not from a distant universe, rather they are from the same place we are from. Don't be fooled. Do your research people of ATS.

I fear that this plan will trick the masses.
edit on 15-6-2012 by Auburn2012 because: (no reason given)


My fear is they REALLY ARE ALIENS here to help us because we made a big mess of this planet and a bunch of Conservatives will believe they are demons or spirits start killing them creating an intergalactic incident leading to the isolation of Earth for 2000 years…oh wait maybe that already happened…



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by cconn487One could say humans are masked spirits contained in our bodies. Whats their endgame by the deception?


The endgame is judgment and being thrown into the Lake of Fire. The demons/aliens want to take as many of us with them as they can, by deceiving us. On the other hand, I believe they are trying, with all those abductions and bio-illogical probings and experiments, to produce hybrids as they did before the Great Flood, and also to insinuate themselves into the human genome, so that they can demand salvation when Jesus returns. He will not be fooled, and they know it, but they are desperate.


I'm all for you believing what you want. I just don't believe in hell. Sorry, I don't believe any God would allow that option to be on the table. Free will or not. To set up life as we know it, with both pleasure and hardship, to even have the remote possibility we could spend an eternity of suffering away from our creator. Just doesn't sound like a God who can forgive as easily as we have been told.

Could we not be forgiven if we have been led astray? I thought that was how God worked?
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Auburn2012
In my opinion aliens are just masked spirits. I believe they will reveal themselves as aliens from a distant universe when the time is right in a last attempt to pull humanity into a big illusion that "man is god" and that we "humans" can transform into "higher, enlightened beings", if we just give up our religions and everything that holds us back.

The truth of the matter is that these so called "aliens" are not from a distant universe, rather they are from the same place we are from. Don't be fooled. Do your research people of ATS.

I fear that this plan will trick the masses.
edit on 15-6-2012 by Auburn2012 because: (no reason given)


Excellently phrased; your words are mine as well.

The OP doesn't want to hear aliens are demons, yet wants to know how it would affect my religious views, all the while not wanting me to use the Word of God to explain my reaction...(you see the conflict of interest here?)

Therefore rather then using the Bible (I am in the Church of God) I will simple state there is far more evidence to suggest these beings are inter-dementional beings rather then inter-stellar beings. And in my veiw the only demention not in the physical realm is the spiritual realm (because I believe God's spirit is what scientist cannot measure that sustains the physical realm, that has forced scientists to accept a multiverse theory), making these entities by definition spirit beings; their agenda of making themselves the Creator and Savior of mankind in the place of God and Jesus Christ, and in teaching mankind that they can become Gods outside of the perfect plan of God for the creation of Elohim is what makes them demonic IMO.

God Bless,



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by cconn487

Originally posted by Auburn2012
In my opinion aliens are just masked spirits. I believe they will reveal themselves as aliens from a distant universe when the time is right in a last attempt to pull humanity into a big illusion that "man is god" and that we "humans" can transform into "higher, enlightened beings", if we just give up our religions and everything that holds us back.

The truth of the matter is that these so called "aliens" are not from a distant universe, rather they are from the same place we are from. Don't be fooled. Do your research people of ATS.

I fear that this plan will trick the masses.
edit on 15-6-2012 by Auburn2012 because: (no reason given)


One could say humans are masked spirits contained in our bodies. Whats their endgame by the deception?


I can't quote scripture, so I will say simply to lift themselves up as both Creator and Savior of mankind, decieving the multitude into believing the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob was not the Creator of all things; by doing that in your mind, you have broken the first commandment "I am the Lord your God...thou shall have no foreign gods above me."

Forgive me OP this will only be a little quoting...

"sin is the transgrestion (breaking) of the law (10 commandments)"
"the wages for sin is death."

By causing mankind to sin collectively through deception, Satan and the demons hope to convict us of breaking God's laws in our minds (spirits) thus making us all guilty and worthy of death. Satan has been jealous of God's plan for the creation of Elohim through mankind the whole time. If we all reject God's law and die, them Elohim cannot be created... luckily Satan does not understand God's whole perfect plan, therefore he is really being used to help God in His plan in time.

You may not agree with this but it is true.

God Bless,



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by DataWraith

We have contact with species alien to us practically on a daily basis, and its all Terrestrial, a new species of fish, flora, fauna, lost Amazon tribe etc and they are new to us and yet we don't see them as scary or going to take over our minds or enslave us do we? so what difference is it if it comes from outside our atmosphere?



An intelligent species coming from outside our atmosphere is going to be technologically superior to us, unlike a new species of fish that we find here on Earth or a lost Amazon tribe. The potential for threat is much greater, although there may be no actual threat. Either way, it's going to affect the way people view the universe and their place in it, maybe not tragically, but it cannot not have an effect. For a well-thought-out take on the likely impact of extraterrestrial contact on humanity - including religion specifically - read Richard Dolan's AD: After Disclosure, or watch these videos:






posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by cconn487

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by cconn487One could say humans are masked spirits contained in our bodies. Whats their endgame by the deception?


The endgame is judgment and being thrown into the Lake of Fire. The demons/aliens want to take as many of us with them as they can, by deceiving us. On the other hand, I believe they are trying, with all those abductions and bio-illogical probings and experiments, to produce hybrids as they did before the Great Flood, and also to insinuate themselves into the human genome, so that they can demand salvation when Jesus returns. He will not be fooled, and they know it, but they are desperate.


I'm all for you believing what you want. I just don't believe in hell. Sorry, I don't believe any God would allow that option to be on the table. Free will or not. To set up life as we know it, with both pleasure and hardship, to even have the remote possibility we could spend an eternity of suffering away from our creator. Just doesn't sound like a God who can forgive as easily as we have been told.

Could we not be forgiven if we have been led astray? I thought that was how God worked?
edit on 15-6-2012 by cconn487 because: (no reason given)


I said "Lake of Fire" not "Hell." Hell means the grave, and God does not put anyone in fire forever, except the Devil and his aliens, er, demons. Fire is for refining, not punishment.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Could we not be forgiven if we have been led astray? I thought that was how God worked?
edit on 15-6-2012 by cconn487 because: (no reason given)


Yes, for that is EXACTLY the plan. Understanding the day of Attonment and what is represented by the "scapegoat" ritual will add wisdom to this sentance.

You are correct.

God Bless,



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