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Originally posted by milominderbinder
1. Let's say that a Democrat was running for Governor of your state who was a member of the NRA, fiscally conservative, and vehement supporter of civil liberties and Constitutional Rights but they were an avowed Atheist and went so far as to say that they thought the Book of Genesis was "nonsense". Meanwhile the Republican candidate was a devout Christian who believes the Bible is the LITERAL word of God...but was fiscally liberal and think that Romney's health care plan would be a fantastic thing for your state regardless of what happens w/ ObamaCare.
2. Let's say your perfect "dream-candidate" was running for President and you agree with them philsophically on ALL things including but not limited to religion, economic issues, foreign policy, and even that abortion is "murder". However, the ONE thing your "dream-candidate" says that you DO NOT agree with is that the government should completely stay out of ALL matters concerning human reproduction and sexuality. The reason this candidate cited is for this is that they feel it's too dangerous to set a precedent for the government to get involved in human reproduction because TODAY it might be to outlaw abortion because it's "murder"...but 50 years from now the idea that the government can have a say in your reproductive affairs is used to CULL unborn fetuses who do not meet certain genetic criteria in an Orwellian Hellscape which we can barely imagine.
Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
I'm none of those things, but from a logical standpoint politics and religion should not mix. In other words, you shouldn't vote for a politician because of his/her religion, but rather because of his/her policies. In the end, the guy/girl's religion doesn't mean much. I'd vote for a die-hard christian if he/she appealed to me on a political level, and I'd vote for a die-hard atheist if he/she appealed to me on a political level.
Of course, many American's think that politics is a beauty contest, and in many ways it is, but honestly these people aren't going to get serious unless we start taking them seriously. If Romney get's more hype because of his hair than his policies and Ron Paul gets no hype because of his lack of political imbecility, that's really saying something, isn't it?
Originally posted by charles1952
I'm voting for a leader of the country, not the leader of my Church. Different jobs, different requirements. I suppose religion might be a feather tossed into the scales, but it's not controlling by any means. Christians can be foolish, uninformed, and unqualified, just like any other human.
Originally posted by schuyler
As a conservative who would normally vote Republican, in this case I would vote for the Democrat. But, you see, I also agree with him on the Bible and Genesis.
Your problem here is that you are making a lot of assumptions. First you assume that all people who would label themselves conservatives are creationists. You've mixed up your sub-sets. You could probably get away with saying "all creationists are conservatives" or that they "tend to vote Republican," but that doesn't mean all conservatives, or even the majority of conservatives are creationists. I'm fiscally very conservative and socially tend to be conservative, but in the conventional sense of the term, I'm an atheist (not quite, but it would be splitting hairs and throwing us off topic to deal with that here).
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
The religious disparity between Christian and vocal atheist might be a bit too much for me to overlook. Not really sure how I'd respond in regards to that one.
As for the abortion issue, I'm strongly pro-life. I could write a rambling manifesto here explaining my thoughts on the topic... but there's no point to it. I believe that the abortion issue in the USA is a manufactured divide, intended to help keep the nation gridlocked in a two party system. The media does their part, making it seem like a boilerplate topic which one party or the other will actually act upon... but when you get right down to it, any changes that occur will be cosmetic/superficial at best and the machine will continue to roll. We had 6 years of a supposedly very pro-life government not that long ago. GOP majority in both chambers plus a vocal pro-life president... was so much as a single earnest attempt made to re-examine Roe v Wade?
Originally posted by blamethegreys
Irregardless of what I believe, I strongly feel that the "moral" issues are used to divide and conquer us, while the fiscal and global agendas are driven towards the same cliff by either party.
So to answer your question(s), I would absolutely vote for the candidate whose economic and foreign policy philosophies were the most in-line with my own.
Who cares if the president believes in abortion or God or Flying Spaghetti Monsters if the country implodes due to overspending and overreaching of military engagements?