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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by Jordan River
Well see a grave is a hole dug in the ground to bury someone who died.
In said hole they rot.
Nothing to do with other dimensions, spirits and such.
By the way it's spelled "sheol" not "shoel".
As you told the other member, get it right.
Your wikipedia definition is not mentioned in the bible of yours.
If you are sure it is, then give the chapter and verse.
Like I said the whole mythos separate from your bible.
Let me intercede here a bit. The one poster is right to an extent. Many Christians alienate people because they bash others and speak harshly and spit out fire and brimstone. I again am new to this but what I have found out from my visions and talks is a different path. We as christians should be accepting and loving. God wants us to go back to the old days and love each other as brothers and sisters. The love of family is very important.
What troubles me most is that if the rapture happens I am told I will be left behind because I am not 'church involved' but a murderer will get raptured because he is. How can that be?
Originally posted by GmoS719
For you to say that God would protect only those who know him is saying you know God's plan.
Which no one does. You are claiming to be an exception.
Originally posted by Azadok2day
God does have an elect that Satan and his demons can not touch per God , The only time they can be touched is when delivered upto Satan and then the holy spirit will be with them to speak thru them giving Satan and his cronies words they can not deny .
As far as hell goes that is a lie of the church , the story of Lazarus and the rich man describes how it is . Christians that believe God would torture someone for eternity do not understand the love of God . If they choose to follow Satan after the millennial rein of Christ hey will be thrown into the lake of fire and be blotted out of existance from all minds that knew them and their smoke will ascend into the heavens for ever and ever . No eternal punishment.
2 Timothy 4:2
''Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage —with great patience and careful instruction.''
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.
65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by autowrench
Christians don't loudly support demons... They loudly denounce them, and pray against them, and cast them out of afflicted sufferers, and bind their activities against certain events etc...
Satan in the 'Prince of the Powers of the Air'.. A decent translation might render 'air' as 'heavenlies', or what might be referred to by Spiritualists as 'The Aether'. Satan can send his demons to operate in a reality parallel to our own, and they are generally responsible for what people refer to as ghostly apparitions, amongst many other manifestations which are a little more ominous than a simple 'bump in the night'.
These powers are very real, and a true Christian should be praying for spiritual discernment, in order to sense their activities within people*/ when they are around the atmosphere of a place. The 'gift of discernment' is a gift from the Holy Spirit of God, who has limited the amount of time these things have in the earthly sphere.
* ''Each man is a world in himself'' - demons understand the metaphysical reality of that expression, and find many places to hide within the mind and soul of people who are in some way connected/ submitted to them.
When they encounter the Holy Spirit's presence, they will manifest in various ways, including shaking the person they possess to the floor, screaming loudly, clawing/punching/ biting whomever they can reach, or spouting off blasphemies, nonsense, lies about the afflicted (possessed) person, or pleading for mercy. Sometimes the very presence of God's Spirit causes them to leave their victim - at other times intense battles in prayer and verbal command ensue because the demon won't relinquish control. They can be forced to tell the truth in Jesus' name, and this is often the most effective way of determining what it is that binds them to the individual, so that specific petition to God can be made regarding that area of concern.
Believe me or not, I've witnessed and participated in the deliverance of the demon-possessed/ oppressed, and have in fact suffered it myself in times past.
That is pure Christian Dogma, friend. I do not believe in a Satan, or any other ultimate author of evil, and neither should you. This is called the "blame game." Have a scapegoat to blame all things evil on, and fail to blame what is really to blame. Human beings.
Then why isn't this power used to stop wars, heal the sick*, bring an end to hunger? As for this "holy spirit" I believe I addressed it here.
Did you know that if one knows their names, they no longer have any power over you?
Did you know most demonology grimores were authored by the Church, or sanctioned by it?
14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.
I too have seen the way Christians act when possessed by the holy spirit.
Did you ever notice that only Christians even believe in these demons, and are the only ones ever possessed by them?
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Originally posted by ApokalypsisRising
Hi odinson. I've also been experiencing a heavy number of demon entities that seem to surround me whenever I go out into public. They aren't invisible either, they are in the human hosts. It's really frightening. I was recently blessed with the "gift of spiritual discernment" a few months ago after having a near death experience (overdose) and begging God to keep me alive and that I'd be a warrior for Him. I believe at that time I was filled with the spirit in permanent form. Ever since then I've been obsessed with being as knowledgeable, aware, vigilant, and strong as possible. The discernment was great at first. In fact everyone I met seemed to fall in love with me and be really happy around me at first. I had this strong animal magnetism that everyone was really attracted to. Then after a few weeks I noticed a lot of dark people popping up anywhere I went. People wearing Satanic t-shirts, all black, weird tattoos... all around me at the same time in the same place. And I'd feel these weird sensations hitting the back of my neck when I'd have my back against them. I'd turn around instantly and I could see in my peripheral vision them kinda "move back into place".. acting like they weren't doing anything. It's like a .999 second thing but I can see it with this really HD-like vision I've gotten and super fast reflexes and sixth sense that the Spirit comes with.
Anyways, it's like a whole network of them anywhere I go. I look around at everyone and they all make eye contact with one another. This look like they all know something between them. I can't believe it sometimes.
Thank you for this alert. The date you listed is right around the time all of this started happening very extremely. At first it was nothing, but now it's becoming more and more. It really is time.