Originally posted by JohnJasper
Meat, regardless of the source, is a killer, dairy products are killers, grains are not necessarily killers but are likely to seriously wound you. Everything that is healthy for you and supportive of life exists in the Fruit and Veg group.

When you can find 1 group of people or culture that doesn't supplement and lives entirely on plant products, I'll entertain your statement. In the mean time, if you'd like, I can provide you with many cultures that live almost entirely on animal products.

Actually, I'll entertain your statement a bit...

If doctors actually knew anything about nutrition and our physiological design, they would not recommend eating from the 4 food groups (5 in Australia as they recognise the Junk Food group.)

If you knew anything about nutrition and physiology, you wouldn't say that meat of any kind will kill you. That's a rather incredible statement. And while I can go on and on about it... I'll talk simply about physiology for a sec, since you referenced it.

Herbivores, while living on vegetation alone, actually consume a high fat diet. Cellulose that they get from grass and such is fermented in the hind gut--animals such as rabbits-- or the fore gut--ruminants such as cows. This fermentation effectively turns their high-carb diet into a high-fat diet as the fermentation yields fatty acids (Volatile fatty acids to be exact).

Now... We, as humans, are incapable of eating cellulose (green, leafy plants) and converting it from a carbohydrate to a fatty acid (well, we do, but just a lil bit). We call these foods fiber because they are indigestible. Soluble fiber is that "lil bit" that we can actually ferment into fatty acids.

Can you tell me, please, where we would get our fat calories from if we were to not eat meat? And, while you're at it, if meat is so terrible, how come our early man hunted animals, such as bison, to the brink of extinction and yet thrived healthily? Did they just hunt for fun?

Or are you suggesting that unlike nearly every herbivore on this planet, the "human herbivore" eat plants with the sole purpose of getting fiber, vitamins and minerals but without providing any significant caloric value? Are you suggesting that unlike nearly every other herbivore on the planet, we don't need fat like they do?

I'm really curious...

Originally posted by Renegade2283

The point of this is to point out how important overcomming obesity is, so that we can then tackle starvation and hunger. Now all these things happen to me with just a little lack of food. Imagine the children starving accross the world. It must be hell, and its usually the First world countries that caused it. So it should be our duty to fix it as well.

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It's funny you bring that up, because there is a paradox that exists which doesn't sit well with the "you're fat cause you eat too much" mantra.

If you think overeating causes be to be fat, then the following should never happen:

Take a stroll through any impoverished part of the world and you'll make an observation that seems a bit odd, to say the least... Obese mothers carrying their severely malnourished, unbelievably thin children to clinics. Do you actually think a mother would sacrifice her child's health just because she can't put down the fork? Hell no. It goes against everything that is motherhood. It goes against maternal instincts.

If there isn't enough food to feed the child, then why is the mother seemingly overfed?

Fasting does help and if people did it all over the US, then it's bye-bye to the medical industry.

Fasting is retarded.

Be a normal human being and nourish your body.

I wanted to put my two cents in here... I wanted to do a water fast but was a little reluctant because I do remodels and build houses and was a little afraid I would get too weak to work. So I opted for the Master Cleanse (Lemonade Diet) for 10 days. What happened was; there was some crazy cleansing going on. I never felt weak; in fact I felt so good after 7 days I moved on and did 7 more days of just water.. I felt great! So this maybe a way to transition into a water fast for those having trouble.

The other thing I noticed is there are several different "diets" out right now like (south beach, Kauffman's Phase 1, Paleo, Primal) They all seem successful, and there commonality is NO (grain , and NO sugar

OK, began my Fast after my last meal last night. I'm going to fast through the weekend having nothing but Water, Carrot Juice and White Grapefruit Juice. Fasting for 2 days, but it will end up being about 60 hours by the time I eat breakfast Monday morning.

I'm not going the whole 4 days, because I'm traveling to Missouri and sparring with someone when I get up there next Thursday, and I don't want to lose any strength between now and then.

I'll report back how I feel.

I can tell you right now, I had my Liposomal Vitamin C and a bottle of water this morning, and at this moment I am STARVING!! Buy now I would have usually had one piece of dry wheat toast and 3 egg whites with a slice of cheese, a cup of coffee and a small glass of orange juice, so my body i wondering where the hell breakfast is at!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
OK, began my Fast after my last meal last night. I'm going to fast through the weekend having nothing but Water, Carrot Juice and White Grapefruit Juice. Fasting for 2 days, but it will end up being about 60 hours by the time I eat breakfast Monday morning.

I'm not going the whole 4 days, because I'm traveling to Missouri and sparring with someone when I get up there next Thursday, and I don't want to lose any strength between now and then.

I'll report back how I feel.

I can tell you right now, I had my Liposomal Vitamin C and a bottle of water this morning, and at this moment I am STARVING!! Buy now I would have usually had one piece of dry wheat toast and 3 egg whites with a slice of cheese, a cup of coffee and a small glass of orange juice, so my body i wondering where the hell breakfast is at!

Good luck! .... I start one tomorrow, i've abused my body a lot this year! and deffinately need the weight loss!!! i'm going for 40 days straight! (fingers crossed)

I started doing fasts a few years ago now, on and off i've done short ones and long ones but much prefer the longer ones as I personally seem to get more from them, and just feel a whole lot lighter/cleaner and mentally stronger after them!

Gorging after a fast is a big big mistake but so bloody easy to do! I have done that in the past and boy do I regret what came afterwards (a day in the rest room) .... that was after an extended fast though over a week! but I learnt my lesson for sure! won't ever make that mistake again!

I don't know all the medical jargon nor can I recite papers or studies, but from personal experience I can say fasting is good! I enjoy it, the benefits as in weight loss and mental clarity are worth it alone, along with other health benefits, provided you do it properly and more importantly 'break' your fast properly, especially extended ones! I like to think of it as a 'reset' button for when you have over done it and things aren't quite working as they should anymore!

Another thing I have noticed is that after a fast things do not taste the same anymore! as in junk really does taste like junk and the healthy stuff is far more appealing! maybe it's just me but that is one thing I have noticed!

Good so far. I had a bit of a crash late this afternoon, just no energy. I've been hungry all day, but it isn't unbearable. I had 4 oz of carrot juice twice today to provide a little pick me up. I also went out to the garden and cut up two tomatoes and ate them with salt and pepper. A little bit of a cheat, but hopefully not too bad to ruin the whole experience.

Seeing as how it is almost 8 o'clock now, I figure I've whooped today, tomorrow will be a bigger challenge though, because we are having a big barbeque at the house. Probably 30 or 40 people will be over, drinking beer, swimming, eating burgers and sausages, etc. This was probably a bad time to try to fast, but I'm going out of town next week, and I didn't want to wait too long and lose the motivation.

Originally posted by imagineering

Originally posted by Gridrebel
So what was your fasting regime? I fasted for a 17 day period when I was younger and lost two pounds. However, I did drop four sizes. Still haven't figured that one out.

I water fast for 2 weeks, then the other 2 weeks I eat clean, fresh fruits and vegitables, I insert a protien supplent drink, and lean cut steak. When I am fasting I still run and walk and during my time of food consumption I wieght lift and I make my training intense during this time. The only negative effects I have experienced is when I first started. Headaches, weakness and just feeling plain odd.

You know what you describe is very close to what's called a Cutting Diet if you constantly work out. You would just go on a calorie deficient and continue to work out regularly.

I, for example, require 2400 calories a day to maintain my current muscle mass and weight. If I were to go to 2100 or 2000 calories a day, I would begin to see weight loss within 2-3 weeks as your body adjusts. Continue for 3-4 months and you just lost 20lbs or so. I'd probably go from 190 to 170lbs after 4 or 5 months and you would cut down on body fat and some muscle mass.

It's a personal choice, so by all means continue with what you're doing if you know that it works for you. Cutting diets are more up my alley and up others as to stop eating causes various physiological and psychological side effects that would damage relationships at home and at work.

ETA: oops, a bit late to this party, didn't realise you're all on double digits now. This was a response to the OP

I could never get past the insane hunger. They all tell you it passes on day 2 or 3, but for me it just kept getting worse. I managed 6 days on water followed by 2 on coconut water as my best effort. Did several 5 days and many dailies.

To be honest, I've not experienced it as the panacea others make it out to be.
Would rather do juice flushing and herbal cleansing to re-balance the body when necessary, other than that, food is for enjoying IMO and coffee, chocolate and fried anything are hard to beat

Originally posted by OrphenFire
If I were a government agent attempting to weaken the conspiracy theorists at a grassroots level, this is the kind of thread I would post.

I am not saying that's what's going on here. But it's worth a thought, isn't it? This is a conspiracy website after all

It's always worth considering who would gain from any change to the status quo or ingenious new idea. As a government conspiracy, this one would certainly backfire because the medical cartel (Doctors - Pharma - Government officials) profits by keeping the public duped into thinking they need doctors and their treatments to regain and maintain health. Helping the word get out that the body can heal itself just by abstaining from food, and maintain health just by eating natural foods and avoiding as much as possible the poisonous environment provided by our corporate masters, will potentially cut off a large part of their customer base. Dare they?