Houla massacre carried out by Free Syrian Army, according to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung

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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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Coming from Germany's most international newspaper any word on how NATO is responding to this? If there is any civility left in the organisation it must surly rattle a few cages and cause some division. Or maybe Danbones is right and all are on board no matter the cost.




posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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The problem in this part of the world is you cannot tell who is fighting whom. I saw this story a few days ago thought there might be some interest for it here. There is no shortage of people willing to kill in Syria.

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Syria's 'Ghost' killers: Steroid-mad thugs who keep tyrant al-Assad's murderous regime in power are terrorising civilians


Death squads have swooped on villages and massacred women and children – slitting their throats or shooting them at point-blank range

www.mirror.co.uk... oid-mad-thugs-872075
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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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Hey Red
thats 404 on your link


though your post is reminiscent of the incubator babies in Kuwait, and the rape squads in Libya, the no WMDs in Iraq, and of course the non existant nuclear weapns in Iran

now
I hear Fox is calling to Murder Assad based on worse then no evidence...
proven lies like the BBC faux pas about the murdered children that were not
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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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I think you will see ww III has begun, it's just a very slow ramp up. Middle east looks screwed, but the Russia China game scares me.

I don't like this at all.


Fully in agreement with you Dusty. The amount of propaganda is disproportionate to the actual pace of the game being played out, so I believe that they are prepping for major action, albeit with a dripping faucet build-up.

I also concur that the USA, as figurehead state for their dream of a NWO, might be drawing Russia (and possibly China) into a conflict while they know they still have a chance of winning outright. Ten or twenty years from now, China might be a severely tougher foe. Russia are still hard as nails, but they would probably fall under a full-on assault by the USA and all its 'special' technologies of warfare.

My personal concerns as a UK citizen are that we might fall prey to a pre-emptive strike by the Russians. If Russia consider that the USA are in fact threatening their regime, even if just in the long-run, without immediate danger to their territories, they might decide to 'walk softly, hit hard, and run fast' just in case.

Which might include nailing the USA's allies, including the UK.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Blatant propaganda.

There, I said it. Sorry, but as per DanBones, this is an outright provocation to hype people's emotions regarding the Assad position.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Have you even bothered to look at where this story is coming from? The link that OP posted clearly states that the World Socialist Web Site is published by the International Committee of the Fourth International. I did not believe for one single moment that anyone had done their duty as deniers of ignorance, so I did it myself.

The ICFI publication from which the article (linked to by OP) is taken, the WSWS (World Socialist Website), was set up and is run by the ICFI . The ICFI was started by Leon Trotsky in 1938. So this publication is no more trust worthy than any of the others if we are being honest about it, since the chances are that it is as full of rhetoric as any other publication, just different rhetoric. More specifically, rhetoric which is likely to be friendly to the inexplicable attitude shown by Russia on this topic, that it is fine for Assad to go round mowing down his own people, as long as there is an opposition to his rule in his nation.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by redneck13
The problem in this part of the world is you cannot tell who is fighting whom. I saw this story a few days ago thought there might be some interest for it here. There is no shortage of people willing to kill in Syria.

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Syria's 'Ghost' killers: Steroid-mad thugs who keep tyrant al-Assad's murderous regime in power are terrorising civilians

www.businessinsider.com...
Death squads have swooped on villages and massacred women and children – slitting their throats or shooting them at point-blank range

www.mirror.co.uk... oid-mad-thugs-872075
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The recent massacres of women and children taking place in Syria are the work of a group of steroid-fueled mercenaries who are fiercely loyal to Bashar al-Assad's Alawite sect, reports Lee Moran of the Daily Mail.

Known as the Shabiha, or "Ghosts" in Arabic, the group wears black t-shirts with combat trousers and wields AK-47s and machetes.

The foot soldiers are paid a relative fortune of about $200 per day to enter towns after the army has stopped shelling to "terrorize the civilian population and conduct ethnic cleansing," according to a Daily Mail source.

From the Telegraph:

"They were like monsters... [said Dr. Mousab Azzawi, who runs the Syrian Network for Human Rights from London but had treated some of the Shabiha in Latakia]. "They had huge muscles, big bellies, big beards. They were all very tall and frightening, and took steroids to pump up their bodies.

"I had to talk to them like children as they like people with low intelligence. But that is what makes them so terrifying — the combination of strength and blind allegiance to the regime."

The Shabiha is accused of carrying out the Houla massacre — in which 108 civilians including 49 children were killed by slitting their throats or shooting them at point-blank range — as well as incidents last week in which 12 workers were executed in Qusayr and 78 villagers were killed in the central province of Hama.

Dr. Azzawi cited a YouTube video that shows pictures from one alleged member's Facebook page alongside videos of the group beating people in the streets.

Almost all of the Shabiha are young men from the mostly-poor Alawite sect, a Shia Muslim sect comprising 12 percent of Syria's population that includes the Assad family.

A woman named Selma, who is from a prominent Alawite family and whose cousins are Shabiha, told Harriet Alexander and Ruth Sherlock of the Telegraph that even before the revolution the Shabiha would quell anti-government unrest by going into the streets and breaking people's arms and legs


Read more: www.businessinsider.com...



for what ever reason those stories wont link
try
ghost killers
or
www.albawaba.com...

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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Tallone

Counter to the official story from the Western mainstream media, interviews with locals by respected mainstream news source Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung show the Houla massacre was carried out by rebel forces and not the Syrian government.

Not surprisingly the truth has not emerged in one single MSN source in the West. Yes, that's right, not one Western MSN source to date has printed the story! It is apparent that the West, including the heads of government in the US, the UK, and in Europe and including NATO and the UN, have set up a sham case as "casus belli for their planned invasion" (from the Infowars link below) of Syria.

Here is the original story source.
www.faz.net...

www.wsws.org
(visit the link for the full news article)
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We will see what the truth is - probably not very soon though.
FAZ quotes no sources, names no witnesses. Their assertions may be true - only a more detailed examination will prove that. Until names are named and each family or individual is accounted for (the victims being really Alawites or Shi'ites or sympathizers would naturally bring suspicion to the rebels), such as the research on WW2 was conducted and for example it had been proven forty years after the fact that the massacre of Polish officers in the forests of Katyn was not committed by the Nazis as history books said but by Soviet troops.
In the Yugoslav conflict, one could see attempts to falsify records already. One time at least the same TV footage was shown about some old woman crying on the street with ruins and corpses. First she was supposed to be Croatian, a relative of dead victims massacred by forces loyal to the Yugoslav State Army, but then Yugoslav State TV also showed the same shot in Serbia, claiming that the same woman was a lone Serbian survivor of a marauding attack by Croatian Fascist paramilitary gangs.
The truth could only be established years later with painstaking, meticulous identification, including analysing the style of clothing, exact identification of the scenery etc.

The post is technically not correct in stating that the Western MSM failed to show anything incriminating the Syrian rebels, since Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung counts as a Western MSM source.
Who knows, they may be correct.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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I am not so quick to discount anything just because it is a Socialist source.
Trotsky, if anybody, was against the type of power consolidated by Stalin (for which he was hunted down and murdered by Stalin's folks as far as in Mexico).
You are correct, the adamant Russian stance in hiding the crimes of the regime against its own people is inexplicable. The only background I can add is that the system change severely traumatized Russia, hundreds of millions saw new suffering on top of the bloody past of Bolshevism, so they are frequently paranoid about Western interests, geopolitical agendae etc.
In fact they are much more so than anyone in the West realizes these days.
Unless life becomes better and more democratic for ordinary Russians, they may devolve towards some style of fascism - there are signs already with far-right nationalistic paramilitaries killing colored people on the streets. The idea of automatically supporting all the former allies of the former Soviet Union is appalling.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Nice try with the propaganda to whitewash the mass murderer Assad.

I wonder who were the ones driving tanks, high calibre machine guns and firing heavy artillery indiscriminately into Houla's unarmed men, women and children before the assadist barbarians swooped in to finish off the kill.

All the rebellion have are small arms, most certainly not tanks or choppers that the animal Assad is supplied with by his fellow mass murdering supporter KGB agent Putin.

Do the Assadist bootlickers out in the world and here have no human conscience left, that they will deny and twist facts?



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Kokatsi
reply to post by TrueBrit
 

I am not so quick to discount anything just because it is a Socialist source.
Trotsky, if anybody, was against the type of power consolidated by Stalin (for which he was hunted down and murdered by Stalin's folks as far as in Mexico).
You are correct, the adamant Russian stance in hiding the crimes of the regime against its own people is inexplicable. The only background I can add is that the system change severely traumatized Russia, hundreds of millions saw new suffering on top of the bloody past of Bolshevism, so they are frequently paranoid about Western interests, geopolitical agendae etc.

I understand entirely the point you are making, however as the New Labour party in Britain showed, by removing all of its worker backing, union supportive members, and becoming a center left wing party, things can change. I for one do not trust the word of any news source or body other than perhaps the UN, which is a body made up of nations from all over the world, including (and this is the only thing that matters a damn in my opinion) other Arab nations.

Not only that, but the regional powers surrounding Syria are as concerned as the western powers at the moment, which lends more weight to the reportage coming out of the BBC, and other western news media, than it does to this socialist publication, which I believe to have links to the Russians, owing to its reportage, which flies in the face of opinion and investigation carried out by those much closer to these events than either Russia or the West in general.



In fact they are much more so than anyone in the West realizes these days.
Unless life becomes better and more democratic for ordinary Russians, they may devolve towards some style of fascism - there are signs already with far-right nationalistic paramilitaries killing colored people on the streets. The idea of automatically supporting all the former allies of the former Soviet Union is appalling.


You are quite right to be concerned about the rampant hatred coming out of Russia these days. The whole of the fractured state that was, has trouble with it in some form or another, including that which was alluded to in the BBC Panorama report on racism in the terraces of football grounds in the host nation of the tournament which is currently being played out in the Ukraine (and Poland).

It is important to remember that parties and organisations that once swore thier fealty to counter revolutionary attitudes, may no longer represent those same political leanings, and also that not every member of a particular news media franchise may support or endorse those leanings.

All that said, I believe that the fact that the ICIF involvement with this piece shows pretty starkly, that thier attitudes are aligned with Russian interests, more than they are the interests of either the people of Syria, or indeed the western powers. What we find all too easy to forget, due to the fact that we experience these things vicariously through reportage and correspondents from differing political schools, is that the people who are at risk are the ONLY factor to consider.

It matters not whether the majority of the dead are from one sect or another, or indeed who the perpetrators of these crimes are. They should be bought to book. And as things stand, whether Assad is evil enough to have committed these acts by ordering his troops to attack, or whether he was just too incompetent a ruler to prevent them by using his resources wisely is not important. What is important is that he is clearly not able to control the situation in his country, and he should allow a united nations peacekeeper force to take over the situation, and keep the sides apart, until enough UN enforcement officers can be put in theater to disarm both the government and the rebels while investigators from outside Syria discern the truth of these matters, and bring the perpetrators to justice.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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I'm a bit confused. The version of the story as told by the first link you provide in the "World Socialist Website" gives a different account than the version they are quoting from the faz.net site.

In fact, in the original article, I see no mention of the claims made by the socialist website you cite.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by TrueBrit
Have you even bothered to look at where this story is coming from? The link that OP posted clearly states that the World Socialist Web Site is published by the International Committee of the Fourth International. I did not believe for one single moment that anyone had done their duty as deniers of ignorance, so I did it myself.


Not only that, but their translation of the original piece takes some, shall we say, liberties?



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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That is a clear propaganda video, and notice how the mainstream media are attacking the minority sect the alwhite? yeah blaming them just like they blamed the Serbs in Bosnia.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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All the rebellion have are small arms, most certainly not tanks or choppers that the animal Assad is supplied with by his fellow mass murdering supporter KGB agent Putin.


Once again people are falling for the propaganda as in Libya case, and the rebels are been supplied by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Which are America's puppets.

If your a real seeker of truth you wouldn't be falling for such a propaganda.

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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
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All the rebellion have are small arms, most certainly not tanks or choppers that the animal Assad is supplied with by his fellow mass murdering supporter KGB agent Putin.


Once again people are falling for the propaganda as in Libya case, and the rebels are been supplied by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Which are America's puppets.

If your a real seeker of truth you wouldn't be falling for such a propaganda.



So, are you saying the FSA has tanks and helicopters now?

Your analysis never ceases to misconstrue the facts to a near comical level.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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So, are you saying the FSA has tanks and helicopters now?

Your analysis never ceases to misconstrue the facts to a near comical level.

The al-Houla massacre victims were not killed by tanks but small arms fire at close range, like from inside the same building where they were found dead.
I attribute the anti Assad propaganda to New World Order puppets who want Syria run by people taking orders from Saudi Wahabists, who will ok overflights by Israel to attack Iran.
I see Hillary as a criminal of genocide by provoking a civil war to rid Syria of Shi'ites who would be supportive of Hezbollah who sit on Israel's border with missiles awaiting their next incursion into Lebanon.
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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Of course it was.

THEY WANT to cause so much # that NATO will intervene, then they can run the country.

It's very simple.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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So, are you saying the FSA has tanks and helicopters now?

You think the FSA are simple Farmers and angry citizens? hardly!
the FSA are a rouge military you would think they came empty handed?



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
Thanks for the reply on my behalf.

It was never my intention to reply to those mass murdering supporter bootlickers, for they had already made up their minds to deny facts and hardened their hearts to support of slaughter to innocent human men, women and children.

They will face their own retribution one day.

I only posted so that others may not fall for their scam ignorantly.

One never knows who is who on the net. Some may claim to be PHD american today, or an uneducated zulu tomorrow. They had proven they are willing to screw mankind for whatever that had hurt them in their small miserable pathetic ignorant lives or selfish agendas, enough to see our fellow human brothers and sisters bleed to death, without caring even a thought to them except for croc tears.

They will have to answer for themselves one day...
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