VEGAN for 3.5 Months. Massive hair loss.

reply to post by Furbs


I was born wanting a STEAK!! By the time I was 3 or 4 years old I recognized the word STEAK on a menu, and I was eating Quarter-Pounders from McDonalds.

I have two sons now, and my 5 year old has always been a meat eater. We didn't teach him this, he just knew it from an early age. He doesn't want hot dog or hamburger buns, he doesn't want rice or mashed potatoes, he'll eat his vegetables because he knows they will help him grow up strong, but he doesn't want any starches, just MEAT!

Now, my 4 year old always asks for Sal Led. That is how he says Salad, and he means Lettuce. He'll eat anything green, and we only give him a very small portion of meat to eat, because he doesn't really want it, he just eats it because he has to. He would live off bread and lettuce if we would let him.

This isn't learned behavior, this is ingrained into their DNA.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Furbs

 

I was born wanting a STEAK!! By the time I was 3 or 4 years old I recognized the word STEAK on a menu, and I was eating Quarter-Pounders from McDonalds.

I have two sons now, and my 5 year old has always been a meat eater. We didn't teach him this, he just knew it from an early age. He doesn't want hot dog or hamburger buns, he doesn't want rice or mashed potatoes, he'll eat his vegetables because he knows they will help him grow up strong, but he doesn't want any starches, just MEAT!

Now, my 4 year old always asks for Sal Led. That is how he says Salad, and he means Lettuce. He'll eat anything green, and we only give him a very small portion of meat to eat, because he doesn't really want it, he just eats it because he has to. He would live off bread and lettuce if we would let him.

This isn't learned behavior, this is ingrained into their DNA.

Would you have wanted steak had you not been exposed to it? There are parts of the world where steak just isn't eaten. For it to be a biological trait, the experience would have to be something seen throughout the entirety of humanity, not specific cultures. This suggests learned behavior.

However, there is no doubt that humans are born with a predilection for certain flavors, and those flavors are ingrained in our bodies before we are born. Mostly the science points to Sweet v.s Savory, however, I imagine that someone has done a study on meat vs. non-meat lifestyles.

I might ask my partner, she is an anthropologist studying cultural universals. I'll get back to you if I do.

reply to post by Furbs

I might ask my partner, she is an anthropologist studying cultural universals. I'll get back to you if I do.

Definitely do.

I see your point, it would suck to be born craving a steak, but living in India where you can't have one!!

I think the craving is real, but the menu is probably regionally specific. Maybe the same craving would be interpreted as Goat, or Catfish, or whatever, but I don't think anyone would interpret it as Lettuce, LOL!

reply to post by Furbs


As it is to ingest grains. What, you think nature didn't put defensive mechanisms into plants too?

They're called Anti-nutrients. There is plenty of research nowadays on the harms of not eating meat and only eating vegetables.

See a doctor or nutritionist. Your diet is obviously lacking in certain areas or you would not have these issues, I am not at all vegan, but I know a few who are perfectly healthy, one even goes to the gym with us and is very muscular. The vegans who are unhealthy isn't because of the vegan diet, it's because they are not covering all bases so to speak and somewhere something is being left out.

Start eating eggs for now until you figure your diet out properly. Fair play to you sticking to your morals so strongly, but start when you are more prepared. A lot of people here seem to think that eating meat is a must and don't understand your moral reasons. They say that it's natural so we should do it, but you can say that murdering a love rival could be considered natural behaviour to a certain extent as well as aggressive courting etc so that argument is flawed imo.

You can be vegan and healthy and it does annoy me how my fellow meat eaters seem to mock vegans and veggies so much. Personally I love meat, but I understand the arguments about not eating it and I respect people who commit to the hardships of making such a choice. I think we should all try and be more tolerant rather than all making fun or getting into a moral debate when the OP clearly just wants some health advice.

Okay. I have to say that my blood is boiling. "eating meat is the cycle of life" is a terrible argument. It is a part of life, for carnivores. We have long intestinal tracts. We aren't supposed to eat meat like we do. It is NOT part of the life cycle to put an animal in horrific conditions for their entire life and then slaughter them without mercy. The animals suffer as bad as jews did in Auschwitz and that is why many of us are vegan. That said, do not give up. You probably are missing something enormous causing the hair loss.

any new medications? depakote, depakene, topamax, zonegran, lamictal, valproic acid etc all cause hair loss. any anti-convulsant.

I am a vegan. I have a very muscular build. Thick blonde hair, which women constantly complement me for. I hate to sound like a jerk, but I have the physique of a greek god type of statue. I lost a lot of weight when I committed to the vegan lifestyle. And I felt better. Still do. When people say veganism is unhealthy and I say 'do I look unhealthy" they are shocked. Really.

So, here's what I suggest. 1. get yourself a high-quality MASTICATING juicer. Fresh, raw, organic veggies and fruits. NO GMO OR NON-ORGANIC. People juice apples with waxes and pesticides on them and womp womp. They get sick. I recommend an omega 8004, this is a wonderful juicer. 2. Do not give up! even if this is because of the diet, you can reverse it, as your body adjusts. I hear about this sometimes. I tend to think the hair loss is from new vegans failing to find the right diet, eating too much of the same stuff. I
people who tell you it's a bad diet are wrong. people who eat meat are wrong. This is not my opinion. It is not up for debate. Factory farming is destroying our planet. FAST. This type of sick, diseased livestock is getting people sick. Look around. Obesity, cancer, diabetes, etc. You ever meet a diabetic vegan? No, because the diet reverses [type 2] diabetes. This is proven. It also reverses heart disease and atherosclerosis. Also a fact.

So, don't give up. People will piss and moan about this. But they are wrong. It is horrifically cruel to treat curious, intelligent, sentient creatures this way. It is. It breaks my heart. Once you know, you really, really know, you can't go back. I am fairly active in the animal rights/veganism movement. Please, I urge you to PM me. I will help you as much as I can. Don't give up.


BTW, I do it for ethical reasons. I don't give a # about my health. Nothing I can do about that with all the garbage they put in our food.

IF you want to argue veganism is bad, wrong, that factory farming is not wrong, watch this film: [earthlings]

youtu.be...

I promise most people will say 'propagranda' 'peta' etc. WRong, wrong,wrong. The truth is, no one is willing to sit through the film because they can't accept what they support. You have to look at the monster. We are not omnivores. We simply aren't. I want to help you. I know a lot of people with advanced degrees who I can get advice from/put you in touch with.

and by the way, the only studies saying meat is healthy and veganism isnt are funded by Big Ag. All of them. Every study is funded by the people who own factory farms. Just like aspartame and accutane.


Accutane is a safe to take, they said. It's a class C drug, pregnant women can take it. My mom took it because her doctor read those studies. I have a congenital heart defect that has caused me an indescribable amount of sadness, bullying, self-doubt, chest pain, etc.

Dont cite studies like that without citing who PAID for the study. DERP. This is called willful ignorance, and has a lot to do with moral schizophrenia.

Why is it wrong to slit a dog's throat and string up him, but it's okay for a cow? Why is it wrong to eviscerate a parrot, but not a chicken? Why do we love cats, but wear cows and slaughter pigs? Why do you eat meat?

wrong. wrong. wrong.

Don't give up my friend. Im sorry for the rant. had to say it. I don't want a debate. Just wanted to put it out there.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Furbs

 

There is plenty of research nowadays on the harms of not eating meat and only eating vegetables.

No there isn't.

Not that you think I am... I just want to cover my butt here... I am not a doctor. This is not medical advice, but I feel that your body is lacking protein. Hair and nails are protein substances. Do you monitor your protein intake currently? You can certainly get enough protein while maintaining a Vegan diet. That should not be an issue. You don't have to reach for the eggs, reach for soybean rich products, etc.

Protein, protein, protein... is what it sounds like you need.

Let me know how this pans out for you.

Cheers,
Cody

Please look into the book Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon and the work of Weston A. Price. While I respect your choice not to eat meat, you need to understand that some basic needs of the body do the come mainly from animal sources and are extremely difficult to obtain on a vegan diet, i.e. healthy saturated fats, omega 3s, vitamin A etc. Also if you are eating grains it is IMPERATIVE that they are prepared properly so that the "anti nutrients" are rendered near inert and that you can utilize the vitamins and minerals therein. You should not feel guilt in consuming eggs or dairy if they are from ethically raised animals raised on pasture. It is also critical that the eggs and dairy you consume are raised on pasture for the higher nutrient benefit. Eggs and dairy from pasture raised livestock are a completely different product than a simply free range organic animal fed soy and corn. Lastly I would recommend cutting out soy as it mimics estrogen in the body as well as it is very high in anti nutrients that are only rendered inert from fermentation. You also could very well have a sensitivity to a food you are eating and soy is a common "allergen" as well.

While I personally don't feel veganism is the appropriate diet for the human body, I find it difficult to judge those who are highly compassionate and can't find it in themselves to consume an animal. So my suggestion is to find a balance that holds to your values yet honors the needs of your body.

I don't see a moral dilemma in consuming eggs and dairy from animals that are raised happily in their natural environment. Go easy on yourself. I would definitely have your thyroid checked as well, but thyroid imbalances can very much be a dietary problem among other things.

Grains can be harsh on the body too if you have digestive issues. I'd recommend reading Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Natasha Campbell McBride as well.

Most importantly, listen to your body. Best of luck to you.

Vegan diets are horrible for you. You will be short a number of amino acids, short on your B vitamins and have increased risk of cancer and heart attack.
www.healthiertalk.com...

I'd be supplementing with b12, b6 and the rest of the b vitamins, I'd take fish oils or try flax seed oil, and you are going to have to do some research on where to find your much needed methionine. You are also heavily mineral deficient as well.

Congratulations for falling for the hype. Look into the specific carbo diet or the paleo diet. Much healther and it has loads of meat.

dude, there is nothing wrong with eggs and meat.

If you are against the shady meat industry, there are WAYS around it.

There are MORALLY SOUND farms out there run by great people that care about their work. Animals raised on a true pastured farm with plenty of grass, bugs and rich soil.

for starters, check out www.polyfacefarms.com

this sums it up nicely

Can vegans eat meat from animals that just die of natural causes? Even some old animal meat is better than no meat.

How about salmon that dies after spawning? Road kill deer or other critter? What about a cow that was raised by a 4h kid, a prize animal that received pampering it's entire life?

I don't understand the philosophy, not trying to be mean.

Hair loss could be caused by iron deficiency, found in red meats.
You should see a doctor and be tested before taking iron supplements. Overload can be dangerous.
Just see a doctor anyways to rule out other causes and for treatment in restoring hair growth.

Hair and nails are the same in that they are both appendages of the skin.




Vitamin C is essential for hair, skin and nails and there are fruits that contain iron or both.

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Soak your head with rosemary oil for 30 minutes before a shower.

My cousins wife was a vegan but she gave it up. She looked like a scarecrow when she didn't eat meat her hair was falling out also. Now that she's eating meat again she looks a lot more healty. We are ment to eat meat. Go get yourself a nice cut of med rare prime rip.

Go see a dietician if you want to maintain a vegan lifestyle. Vegetarian, and especially Vegan lifestyles require far more effort and planning than a balanced diet involving meat and veg (which still takes planning). You are obviously missing out on something, so go see a professional who can help you plan your diet so you get everything you need.

If I was going to have a cruelty free diet I wouldn't cut eggs out. Most eggs you get from the store (organic or factory farmed) are infertile eggs; so they aren't going to grow into baby chick if we don't eat them. (so nothing has been killed for you to have that delicious nutritious egg

To get a fertile egg, you'll need to go to the smaller specialist farm that has a rooster mating with the hens.

Originally posted by Tripple_Helix

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I can't even imagine eating a little chicken egg... but I crave it. After 3 months though?! Should cravings not be gone by now?

So, I'm in a catch 22 here. There are people just waiting for me to fail at this and I would hate to prove them right. I want to eat in an ethical and kind way. But I also don't want to feel like I have failed, and make myself even more sick at the same time.

I have major stomach issues as well, so I am also gluten free since a week ago... Talk about cutting out major food groups.

Anyone with advice? ...

Tripple_Helix, I haven't had a chance to read thru the thread yet, so please excuse me if I repeat info that's already been given. Years ago I went Vegan (no animal products at all) for four months and ended up so sick & weak. I lost a lot of hair (including eyebrows & lashes) and my nails were like rubber. I was ovo-lacto vegetarian for years. I understand the karma thing & the cleansing thing.

First of all, there's no such thing as ONE DIET for ALL people. Different people have different needs -- and these needs can vary depending on what phase of life you're in and your general lifestyle.

Listen to your body. If you're craving eggs, there's probably something in the egg that your body needs.

I know you're not going to want to hear this, but one of the best things you can do to restore your hair & nails, is to eat gelatin. Not agar-agar, but old-fashioned gelatin made from animal bones that have been boiled down. You need the collagen.

Also the great psychic, Edgar Cayce (who died in 1945), mentioned in his medical readings that gelatin -- when mixed with fresh vegetables, fruit -- acts as a catalyst so that the body is able to absorb the nutrients in the food.

Take gelatin everyday for 90 days, and you should see the beginning of hair & nail restoration.

You may not be a natural vegetarian. Do you know your blood type?

I don't know what kind of stomach troubles you're having, but if you're having a lot of gas, you probably need to take enzymes to help digest your foods (see health food store).

Years ago, I did a severe cleanse (involving fasting with psyllium seeds & bentonite shakes) to remove mucoid plaque from the intestinal walls.

After the cleanse, I was left unable to eat without vomitting. I was really alarmed & thought I might have stomach cancer. I tried everything -- Chinese herbs, etc. even going to an MD who gave me a prescription for an anti-spasmodic so I wouldn't vomit (so predictable). I was losing weight like crazy.

Then I tried "Swedish Bitters" (made in Germany based on an old Paracelsus recipe -- famous alchemist). That fixed the problem on the first day. I was so relieved to be able to eat without vomitting it up within minutes.

I will probably never know what cause the symptoms to begin with, but I swear by Swedish Bitters. Maria Treben, great Austrian herbalist, re-discovered Swedish Bitters when someone gave her some.

Treben was in a DP (Displaced Persons) camp at the end of WWII and came down with typhoid fever (or typhus? I'll have to look it up). She was deathly ill until someone gave her a small bottle of "Swedish Bitters" along with the recipe and its story. It's almost a panacea. I swear by it. You can find it in health food stores -- get the stuff made in Germany (not Canada).

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