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Originally posted by sacgamer25 They wear the veil of Moses because they fear God. Jesus came to lift the veil and teach a man how to become free from sin. But because of our transgressions and our harden hearts we refuse to do what we know we ought to do. If an earthly father judges their children's actions and disciplines them today, and we are made in his image, don’t you think our heavenly father judges us today?
He believes in you even when you don’t believe in him. If you have the courage to cut off your justification he will fill you with Joy so that you know he is real.
Originally posted by mainidh
You sinned, ergo god exists.
Maybe you just don't really care about the feelings of the other man, or the woman, or their marriage, or their children...
Nah, it's proof that god exists.
Wow, got me sold.. I shall to and shag the neighbours wife post haste, so as to prove god exists to others...
edit on 14-6-2012 by mainidh because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I have read Lee Strobel's one already about 18 months ago and thought it was very good but from the review comments on Amazon I have decided to start reading Gary R. Habermas's one now as it is seen as an even stronger case. Whatever thread I do on it will prob combine elements of both books although I expect to find a lot of cross-over of argument.
I am wondering to if the 2009 Habermas book, 'Did the Resurrection Happen?: A Conversation with Gary Habermas and Antony Flew' is worthwhile as well. The book is about half the size only and covers the atheist perspective as well. Just wondering if it would lead to a stronger argument or if all the info I would need is in Habermas's 2004 book anyway.edit on 14-6-2012 by JesuitGarlic because: (no reason given)
Proverbs 10:20 20 The tongue of the righteous is as choice silver, The heart of the wicked is worth little.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by Wonders
The fear of God is only the beginning of wisdom. If you were without sin you would not fear God. But we have all fallen short and therefore we all fear God. We don't believe that we are worthy to be in the presence of God. And we are right we are not worthy. But God came to Moses, if God came to Moses does this not prove that God felt that Moses was worthy? But Moses feared God and wore a veil.
It is accepting that we are sinners that brings us to repentance but it is Jesus who taught us that we are forgiven. If we turn to God out of fear and repent for our actions he will forgive you. The forgiven man can accept that God finds him worthy. When i accept forgiveness he will enter my heart so that I may know that God is with me. I came to the father out of fear but the son came to teach me how to love God.
God has lifted the veil of fear and replaces it with the promise of eternal life.
I still fear God, because I love him. Or rather because he loves me for without him I could not know love.