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The Socialist Mask of Marxism

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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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The highest ranking communist official to have defected from the U.S.S.R. is warning that the Democratic Party is allying itself with the Communist Party to transform this nation into socialism/communism.


History usually repeats itself, and if you have lived two lives, as I have done, you have a good chance of seeing that re-enactment with your own eyes. In 1978, I paid with two death sentences from my native Romania for helping her people rid themselves of their Marxist dictatorship, carefully disguised as socialism. Thirty years later I witnessed how the same Marxism, camouflaged as socialism, began infecting the shores of my adoptive country, the United States, which had just won a 44-year Cold War against Marxism and against its earthly incarnation, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

In a 2008 column titled “Big Political Shifts Are Underway,” Joelle Fishman, chairman of the Action Commission of the Communist Party USA, strongly endorsed the Democratic Party’s candidate for the White House, appealing to all working people in the United States to back Senator Barack Obama, in order to provide “a landslide defeat of the Republican ultra-right.”

That new alliance between the Democratic Party and the Communist Party was a first in the history of the United States, the world’s headquarters of democracy and free enterprise. In November 2008, over 65 million Americans who were unable to identify the stealth virus of Marxism that was infecting the Democratic Party voted to give this party the White House and both chambers of Congress.
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pjmedia.com...

This is so all wannabe socialists/communists and even Democrats and Progressive Democrats can see that the warning that regular people have been giving them about this very same stealth take over by socialism/communism of the democratic party has been coming to reality and even former high ranking Communist officials who defected from the U.S.S.R. and even China have been warning about this for decades.




posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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Are you CRAZY or something? You made a thread without a fallout shelter?
Don't you know them evil Russian commies are going to to nuke us any minute?

I'll build you one. HERE;



We're safe now



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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I don't think it's just the democrats, it's the whole system. Look the republicans push on the "defense" front always saying we aren't safe. Patriot act this, TSA that. And the democrats push on the social front. Medicaid this, global warming that.

They both want the same thing, totalitarianism they just tell their "constituency" what they want to hear. And meet up together, Rs and Ds, at the grand party of dictatorship
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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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O'donnell sums it up, the left has never done anything for this country and its's Blue Dog DEMOCRATS that further the Marxist agenda. The minumum wage, the forty hour work week, labor laws, electricity, the Model T, sliced bread, railroads, were all done by Progressives, Republicans and CAPITALIST like Theordore Roosevelt and Henny Ford to INCREASE PROFITS and PRODUCTIVITY..



Glenn Beck: Liberals Just CALL Themselves PROGRESSIVE to HIDE What They Really Are







posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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I'm just curious Electric, what do you define as 'socialist', is it any use of public funds for social needs?



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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You really need to stop with this paranoid foolishness. I get that you lived under Statist Communism at one point in your life. That doesn't make it the boogey man hiding around every corner. No one, not one socialist, not one communist defends or advocates for Statist Communism. Just like your average citizen advocates Capitalism but not Fascism even though Capitalism could lead to Fascism.

It is Fascism we need to be fearing right now. Obama is a Fascist not a Socialist, not a Communist. Name one thing Obama or any Democrat has done or proposed or advocated for in the last...ever, that is Socialist. Obamacare does not count because the Corporate Insurance and Pharmaceutical Companies are the ones that wanted it and the ones that benefit most from it.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Much of the Marxist \ Corporatist agenda in the U.S. has been underground for 100 years or so.

However, we do see exposures within Congress.

The Cloward-Piven economic strategy has been undertaken primarily by the U.S. Democratic Party.

And of course, we have the Congressional Progressive Caucus right out in the open since 1991 (underground prior to 1991).

They are using all tools and "axioms" of Marxism to get to their end plans.
(communism, fascism, etc.)



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
You really need to stop with this paranoid foolishness.


Ah I see, care to present proof that anything I said is paranoid or foolish?... Like I said, if you have nothing intelligent to add stay out of the thread. It is quite easy...



Originally posted by Kali74
No one, not one socialist, not one communist defends or advocates for Statist Communism. Just like your average citizen advocates Capitalism but not Fascism even though Capitalism could lead to Fascism.


Really?... and what are all the calls by the UN and socialist groups for a One World Government?...

Fascism is leftwing... Mussolini was ALWAYS a socialist, and that was all he knew... If you actually read the Fascist manifesto it screams of LEFTWING and not rightwing...

Let me AGAIN show you the truth that so many leftwingers want to avoid...

Directly from a LEFTWINGER source, wikipedia...

Contents of the Fascist Manifesto
Politically, the manifesto calls for:
Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years, and voting and electoral office eligibility for all age 25 and more, including women;
Proportional representation on a regional basis;
Voting for women (which was opposed by most other European nations);
Representation at government level of newly created national councils by economic sector;
The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the king. It has been described as a sort of extended council of the crown);
The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers (this concept was rooted in corporatist ideology and derived in part from Catholic social doctrine).

In labour and social policy, the manifesto calls for:
The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
A minimum wage;
The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions; ( Unions anybody?...)
To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the manifesto advocates:
Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
Armaments factories are to be nationalised;
A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the manifesto advocates:
A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a partial expropriation of concentrated wealth);
The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

The manifesto thus combined elements of contemporary democratic and progressive thought (franchise reform, labour reform, limited nationalisation, taxes on wealth and war profits) with corporatist emphasis on class collaboration (the idea of social classes existing side by side and collaborating for the sake of national interests; the opposite of the Marxist notion of class struggle).

en.wikipedia.org...

Doesn't it sound like a leftist wet dream?... but in fact it became a dictatorship because the government/state wanted to control everything, and every aspect of the lives of people...

Mussolini just added some of his ideas which is what makes this new branch of SOCIALISM as FASCISM...

The same thing Hitler did...


Originally posted by Kali74
It is Fascism we need to be fearing right now. Obama is a Fascist not a Socialist, not a Communist. Name one thing Obama or any Democrat has done or proposed or advocated for in the last...ever, that is Socialist. Obamacare does not count because the Corporate Insurance and Pharmaceutical Companies are the ones that wanted it and the ones that benefit most from it.


H.R. 1388 in which democrats, and Obama are not only giving power to something they call the corporation but they want American children from secondary, and some democrats are pushing for children of primary to also be a part of this, to work for free for the government for "Community Service"... In socialist/communist dictatorship the same programs were and are run, in Cuba every child starting from 11-12 years old has to work for the state FOR FREE in summer in what are actually labor camps...


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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Really?... and what are all the calls by the UN and socialist groups for a One World Government?...

Fascism is leftwing... Mussolini was ALWAYS a socialist, and that was all he knew... If you actually read the Fascist manifesto it screams of LEFTWING and not rightwing...

Let me AGAIN show you the truth that so many leftwingers want to avoid...

Directly from a LEFTWINGER source, wikipedia...



I think you're getting way too caught up in "left vs right". The fact that you refer to Wikipedia (an online encyclopaedia that relies entirely on user generated content and can be edited by anyone) a "leftwinger source" is not helping your case.


The danger with fascism, state communism and other similar forms of governance is authoritarianism. It's the reliance on the state/government running every aspect of life that leads to totalitarianism and the nightmares that people like you associate with 'communism'.

Don't allow yourself to be wrapped up in partisan politics to the point where you can't distinguish the ideologies you're attacking.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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BTW, more proof, which I have shown many times before, that the socialist elites, and regular socialist groups want to implement a One World socialist/fascist Government derived from coporate mandates...

The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster

These governments would not accept a "social-democratic pattern of globalization" unless their hands are FORCED by a popular movement (Occupy and Anthropogenic Global Warming movements), another Great Depression (the current GLOBAL economic crisis), or an ecological disaster (Global Warming been blamed on humans)



Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang


ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.

www.unesco.org...

The above paper is from 1991 from the UN (UNESCO is a branch of the UN in case you didn't know). It, and the meetings these globalists have been having call for a GLOBAL SOCIALIST/FASCIST GOVERNMENT derived from CORPORATE GOVERNANCE...



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by drwizardphd


I think you're getting way too caught up in "left vs right". The fact that you refer to Wikipedia (an online encyclopaedia that relies entirely on user generated content and can be edited by anyone) a "leftwinger source" is not helping your case.


Wikipedia has their own editors who read over what people write, and it is a known fact that they change facts in favor for example for the Anthropogenic Global Warming camp, as well as political topics in favor for leftwinger ideas.


Climategate: the corruption of Wikipedia

If you want to know the truth about Climategate, definitely don't use Wikipedia. "Climatic Research Unit e-mail controversy", is its preferred, mealy-mouthed euphemism to describe the greatest scientific scandal of the modern age. Not that you'd ever guess it was a scandal from the accompanying article. It reads more like a damage-limitation press release put out by concerned friends and sympathisers of the lying, cheating, data-rigging scientists

Which funnily enough, is pretty much what it is. Even Wikipedia's own moderators acknowledge that the entry has been hijacked, as this commentary by an "uninvolved editor" makes clear.

Unfortunately, this naked bias and corruption has infected the supposedly neutral Wikipedia's entire coverage of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) theory. And much of this, as Lawrence Solomon reports in the National Post, is the work of one man, a Cambridge-based scientist and Green Party activist named William Connolley.
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blogs.telegraph.co.uk...

The fact that you don't know this is a clear sign that you are not really up to date with topics like this one.

I do not want to derail my own thread, and it is not my fault that you are completely ignorant of this fact about wikipedia. If you want to inform yourself google "wikipedia political bias" and "wikipedia AGW bias"...

This subject has been debated in these forums several times.

Apart from this I present EVIDENCE for everything that I have said. what is it that my detractors are offering as evidence?... Nothing but their OPINION, which shows their ignorance on the topic being discussed.


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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
This is so all wannabe socialists/communists and even Democrats and Progressive Democrats can see that the warning that regular people have been giving them about this very same stealth take over by socialism/communism of the democratic party has been coming to reality and even former high ranking Communist officials who defected from the U.S.S.R. and even China have been warning about this for decades.

Not sure I believe the article, but wouldn't "wannabe socialists/communists and even Democrats and Progressive Democrats" be for this? Wouldn't they be part of the stealth take over?

Also, most opposed to it consider 1913 the year when the commies took control, so this is hardly news for them.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:55 PM
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Would you please mind defining what version of 'socialism', 'fascism', and 'Marxism' is being discussed here.

Please void any rhetoric, sensationalism, or bleeding of the heart. Just want straight definitions.

I think it's hilarious when people attempt to debate these topics, when they have absolutely no idea what the labels they apply mean. I'm convinced that everybody forms their own definitions of words to suit their argument. Well, people have been arguing for a while now and changed the definitions so much that I have no idea what people are talking about lol!!! For there are soo many contradictions in what they claim, due to their ignorance of a definition.

How do you feel about libertarian-socialism?



Just thought I'd toss that in there...




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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Not sure I believe the article, but wouldn't "wannabe socialists/communists and even Democrats and Progressive Democrats" be for this? Wouldn't they be part of the stealth take over?

Also, most opposed to it consider 1913 the year when the commies took control, so this is hardly news for them.


1913 was the year in the United States when Progressive Democrats in Congress, and a Progressive Democrat President, Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, in essence a central bank which is part of socialist/communist nations, in which they gave power over the U.S. economy to a few banker socialist/fascist elites.

The PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS, under Woodrow Wilson as well funded in that year the IRS and all the PROGRESSIVE TAXES that exist to this day, which also exist under socialist and communist nations. In fact many of the planks in the communist manifesto were, or have been implemented since 1913. They also implemented other legislation which for example was supposed to reign in large corporations, but in fact it has been restricting starting small businesses and helping large corporations.

Anyway, I was talking about the regular people who have fallen for the lies of the socialists/fascists, progressive democrats, and communists.

The mayority of people, including in the United States, are either unable or unwilling to inform themselves about the truth of this situation.


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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 01:53 AM
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You haven't answered my question. What do you think socialism is? It's important we get your definition of what it is to discuss this topic further.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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Socialism is evil!

I say we get rid of Medicare, SOCIAL security, and any Vet disability compensation!




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