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Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Any view that says a preacher should continue to preach even if he stops believing is likely classifying preaching as a job in the world rather than a work in Christ. Preaching to unbelievers and teaching to believers are works done in the name of Christ for the glory and edification of his Kingdom. Anyone who would continue ministering after a fall from Grace is likely doing so only for personal benefit. It certainly wouldn't be a work in Christ any longer...it would become a job like any other.
Case in point, my father. He's about as vocally anti-Christian as you'll find. If I'm preaching, he wants me to be making money at it (though I refuse to steal money from churches). He doesn't even like me preaching in place of the regular minister, because, to him, the minister is just using me to do his job for him. He doesn't understand that it's my work now, as well, to show love and grace to the lost and to edify (and, if need be, rebuke) the assemblies. It's not a job, it's just what I'm here to do.
Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Please don't call me 'lost'. That is insulting. Isn't it usually the drunks, the porn addicts, the serial cheats who find god and stick with him due to not wanting to be 'lost' again? Are you sure the term 'lost' is not meant to be for a the people living 'on the fringe' and not for all non-believers?
Originally posted by CLPrime
Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Please don't call me 'lost'. That is insulting. Isn't it usually the drunks, the porn addicts, the serial cheats who find god and stick with him due to not wanting to be 'lost' again? Are you sure the term 'lost' is not meant to be for a the people living 'on the fringe' and not for all non-believers?
Any person in God's creation who has not found the Way to the Son who died for the world is "lost." It's not an insult...it's a recognition that we were all originally in God's presence, but that we have all wandered away from him. We're all lost. It's just that, now, we have the opportunity to be reconciled through Christ.
Originally posted by CLPrime
Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Please don't call me 'lost'. That is insulting. Isn't it usually the drunks, the porn addicts, the serial cheats who find god and stick with him due to not wanting to be 'lost' again? Are you sure the term 'lost' is not meant to be for a the people living 'on the fringe' and not for all non-believers?
Any person in God's creation who has not found the Way to the Son who died for the world is "lost." It's not an insult...it's a recognition that we were all originally in God's presence, but that we have all wandered away from him. We're all lost. It's just that, now, we have the opportunity to be reconciled through Christ.
Originally posted by luciddream
So i guess all the religion and people who doesn't pray to the "Son" and "Him" is "Lost"?
What about people and religion BEFORE the "Son" sacrificed himself? Christianity is a young religion.
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by CLPrime
People who don't believe as you do take it as insulting. It is insulting because you are insinuating that there is something missing from their life, or something wrong with them, just because they do not believe as you do. Call it lost, misguided, call it anything, it is still insulting someone else's intelligence, because they don't share the same belief as you do. Does that make sense to you? It's the same thing athiests do when they call people stupid for not having the same disbelief as they do, just stated in a more PC way.
Yes, the Religious Bible Believers are running scared. Their book is being examined under the proverbial microscope, and people are waking up to all of the lies and BS being preached to them laden with fear and destruction. People are seeing the dead, ghosts, which makes them certain there is life after death, and seeing Alien Craft in the skies, with disputes Bible teachings. I have never in my life met and talked to a Christian who did not have the fear in their eyes.
Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by CLPrime
Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Please don't call me 'lost'. That is insulting. Isn't it usually the drunks, the porn addicts, the serial cheats who find god and stick with him due to not wanting to be 'lost' again? Are you sure the term 'lost' is not meant to be for a the people living 'on the fringe' and not for all non-believers?
Any person in God's creation who has not found the Way to the Son who died for the world is "lost." It's not an insult...it's a recognition that we were all originally in God's presence, but that we have all wandered away from him. We're all lost. It's just that, now, we have the opportunity to be reconciled through Christ.
So i guess all the religion and people who doesn't pray to the "Son" and "Him" is "Lost"?
What about people and religion BEFORE the "Son" sacrificed himself? Christianity is a young religion.
Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by CLPrime
Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Please don't call me 'lost'. That is insulting. Isn't it usually the drunks, the porn addicts, the serial cheats who find god and stick with him due to not wanting to be 'lost' again? Are you sure the term 'lost' is not meant to be for a the people living 'on the fringe' and not for all non-believers?
Any person in God's creation who has not found the Way to the Son who died for the world is "lost." It's not an insult...it's a recognition that we were all originally in God's presence, but that we have all wandered away from him. We're all lost. It's just that, now, we have the opportunity to be reconciled through Christ.
So i guess all the religion and people who doesn't pray to the "Son" and "Him" is "Lost"?
What about people and religion BEFORE the "Son" sacrificed himself? Christianity is a young religion.
Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Any view that says a preacher should continue to preach even if he stops believing is likely classifying preaching as a job in the world rather than a work in Christ. Preaching to unbelievers and teaching to believers are works done in the name of Christ for the glory and edification of his Kingdom. Anyone who would continue ministering after a fall from Grace is likely doing so only for personal benefit. It certainly wouldn't be a work in Christ any longer...it would become a job like any other.
Case in point, my father. He's about as vocally anti-Christian as you'll find. If I'm preaching, he wants me to be making money at it (though I refuse to steal money from churches). He doesn't even like me preaching in place of the regular minister, because, to him, the minister is just using me to do his job for him. He doesn't understand that it's my work now, as well, to show love and grace to the lost and to edify (and, if need be, rebuke) the assemblies. It's not a job, it's just what I'm here to do.
Please don't call me 'lost'. That is insulting. Isn't it usually the drunks, the porn addicts, the serial cheats who find god and stick with him due to not wanting to be 'lost' again? Are you sure the term 'lost' is not meant to be for just the people living 'on the fringe' and not for all non-believers?
The preacher, I assume, is going around preaching about his lack of faith so he can do what the hell he likes. No-where in the definition of 'preach' does it say the word is only to be used by religious people.
edit on 14-6-2012 by TheFogHorn because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by autowrench
Their book is being examined under the proverbial microscope, and people are waking up to all of the lies and BS being preached to them laden with fear and destruction. People are seeing the dead, ghosts, which makes them certain there is life after death, and seeing Alien Craft in the skies, with disputes Bible teachings. I have never in my life met and talked to a Christian who did not have the fear in their eyes.
Originally posted by Gridrebel
Matthew 15:24 has always bothered me.
24 But He answered and said, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Originally posted by Gridrebel
Matthew 15:24 has always bothered me.
24 But He answered and said, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
The Faith of a Canaanite Woman
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.