Thoughts on holocaust denial.

reply to post by jimmyx


Um...I didn't deny anything, I asked some questions and clearly stated that I do not deny the holocaust happened...in fact I made that statement several times I believe...you talk about denying ignorance?

Try reading a thread before you bounce in throwing around unfounded accusations...then you can lecture me on how to deny ignorance, my friend.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by HumanCondition
reply to post by samerulesapply

 

I suppose you could say that those who deny the holocaust are basically saying the whole thing is one big conspiracy.

No, just because someone denies the official holocaust story does not mean they believe it has to be one big conspiracy.

what good does persecuting them do?

Well if you cant beat what they are saying I guess it is better to silence them then to have to face reality and listen to what they are saying.

..nobody can force you to believe anything or agree with them,

Well this is what pushers of the official story have done with millions if not billions of people haven't they. Most people don't even know the facts yet are almost religious on believing what they have been told.

I find it bizarre that people think it's acceptable to imprison someone for having what some consider a down right stupid belief or opinion.

Mind you these are the same people who think its acceptable to commit genocide on Palestinians when complaining about their own genocide. I think the lie that people should be incarcerated for talking is just another thing that has been pushed on a large amount of people by a small group looking for some type of gain. It is very much the sign of a society in demise.

I'm also interested to hear the opinions of anyone who believes the holocaust to be a big lie

I dont really hold any definitive views on the holocaust. I know that Jews were treated just like anyone else during that time and that a lot of people died. But their is a lot of evidence missing and people refuse to accept that. So the official story is impossible for me to believe until sufficient evidence is presented. It would seem that people were certainly not gassed that's for sure tho, at least not in such large numbers or so regularly.
Also the 6million figure is an utter joke.

apparently you refuse to deny ignorance, thus you are on the wrong website. the holocaust was one of the most documented atrocities in history. if you do not accept the massive amount of verifiable evidence that was gathered, even the documentation by the Nazis themselves, you lack the critical thinking skills to have any type of credibility.

I am not the one who refuses evidence.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by samerulesapply

 

I believe the Holocaust Deniers know the Holocaust was very real. I think they are people who agree with the Holocaust and pretend to believe it was not real to advance an agenda. They are hard core Neo-Nazi's in fact, pretending they are not. Liars in other words. They want the Jew's and people they consider inferior dead.

My humble opinion, but I think I'm right.

we know the holocaust myth is real. How presumptious that you think you know what others feel and believe. "agree with the holocaust?" Too ridiculous to comment on, save by saying its a contradiction. Why would someone who agrees with the holocaust deny it? The agenda is to discredit the national socialist movement against the jews.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
The cynical truth comes to us by way of an obscure extremist group, which boasts:

"The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."

www.nizkor.org...

"again" why was it acceptable at all? Maybe it was always good, and the holocaust myth made it bad. Revisionsm could just be Originalism.

www.holocaustdenialvideos.com

Whats funny or scary is there are so many lies surrounding Hitler that even anti zionsts and free speech advocates who believe the holocaust happened but who do not like laws against holocaust questioning, even they parrot known untruths.

if you doubt the figure six million, especially in light of the fact that auschwitz publicly lowered the death toll from 4 million to 1 million, yet the religiously significant 6 million remains unchanged, why do you still insist a holocaust happened? It s because people believe that it is impossible to lie that big, so some MUST have died, but remember "the bigger the lie the more easy it is to believe" which actually Lenin not Hitler said. So if they are able to lie about 3 million deaths, why not sx million? Plus the facts show that it was Germany that was near starvation after world war 1 and the treaty of versailles which crippled industry and military of Germany. Hitler saved the German economy by eliminating unemployment through a currency that relied on work as opposed to gold or fiat. David Irving is called a holocaust denier despite the fact he is simply a holocaust omitter because in his book about ww 2 and Hitler, he found no evidence of a holocaust order, and the only final solution was to deport, not mass murder Jews. One has to ask, if it was a holocaust why were so many women and children spared? On the contrary it was a Jew named Theodore Kaufman that declared in 'Germany must Perish' that there should be a final solution of all Germans. Forensic evidence shows in great detail just how the lies and spin were used to push a holocaust fear, such as bars of soap made from human skin and human skin lampshades, hoaxes of actual soap and lampshades which have now been discredited but were pushed as authentic at nuremberg. The lies about the nazis are so over the top, yet they are told so often, people believe them.

www.zioncrimefactory.com

Originally posted by satron
Here's a question. Was the Nazis the only group of people that headed the concentration camps and the holocaust?

Oh, and how much fuel was needed to burn all the bodies, and why would a country at war designate that much fuel for that purpose?

edit on 14-6-2012 by satron because: (no reason given)

Excellent point, as www.holocaustdenialvideos.com... points out, it is physically impossible to burn 6 million or 11 million bodies if it takes fifteen minutes to gas 100 bodies and 3 hours to cremate one body. Plus they supposedly buried the 11 million bodies, dug them up, then buried somewhere else. And all this digging and burying was supposedly done by Jewish prisoners, as if none would dare resist such a horrible and asinine order. If Hitler wanted a holocaust he could have studied communist tactics of shooting people in the back of the head with a bullet, far more efficient than lying to millions of people that you are taking them to a work camp, then shaving their head, telling them to get in the shower but it's really a gas chamber, then having Jewish workers not sentenced to die to move the bodies up a ramp to the crematorium, then have them bury their relatives without having them inform the other prisoners of what is happening.

@ every denier here in this thread or on this board:

WHAT do you want to achieve? You do know that there is not a single official person who would, for example, give you a job for being such an excellent historician. You would get no positive reputation from historicians all over the world.

The only people applauding you are people noone should be proud of being applauded from.

You are sitting in another country and go wild speculating about numbers, bills, notfound orders and so on: how about you come here and ask every German you can find on the streets what his/her view on this is? Or look at our own museums about this.

Do you really think that we are stupid enough to be directed by some zionistic group to rewrite a very, very important part of our newer history in favor for the jewish people?


BTW: We are Germans. We take a job like "get rid of millions of people" serious. In some african country there may be a genocide between Hutu and Tzulu (I think) by going from house to house and just shooting everything that moves. Possible fugitives to the jungle might have survived.
We would have it done industriously. I am not proud on the fact that we killed millions of defenseless people, but I am sure we would have done it as precise as possible. That means that there was a person who weighed "6persons/oven" vs. "3persons/oven" in matters of money, time, fuel and fuelcosts. It means that there were scientists involved finding the "best" way to kill a room full of people with the least personal, risk, loss of time and ressources and so on. It means we would have numbered the locked-in people and would have lots of files on record about them, to keep exact track.

It was possible. We could have done it. We HAVE done it. Why do you deny it? What is your purpose?

I am not a holocaust denialist, but I am certainly against any laws on holocaust denialism, or genocide denialism in general. Its a real shame that even my country criminalises this opinion. It is idiocy like that which makes people wonder if some of the conspiracy theories about Jews arent true, and also gives apparent credit to holocaust denialism.

I had an uncle that was involved in the liberation of a concentration camp during world war II. He never spoke much of it, but stated that after that, his company never took German prisoners of war again. Any German soldier that attempted to surrender was killed. That in itself validates the reality of the Holocaust.

reply to post by ManFromEurope


What do the deniers want to achieve???????
Nothing much.....
Just a simple little thing called `` THE TRUTH ``
After all, we all have familys who were butchered and bombed in this sad episode called WW2.
So its not much to ask for and to be honest if we have the TRUTH, then such things will not happen again. Or at least we hope so. Thats the thing we must learn from history, or repeat it.
When I look at the actions of the modern state of israel. With its walls arround people and using ilegal weapons on women and kids. The theft of peoples land and the blatent lies of their govt. I think all those people that did die in any camps, would hang their heads in shame. They are now rounding up coloured people and putting them in camps.
But if any one says anything about this then they are a liar and a nazi or an anti semite ect ect A holohoax denier....

reply to post by illuminnaughty


Yeah, but maybe the truth is not your truth? Do you fight the endless war to disprove that?

Okay, lets do this the other way around - we would have denied any and all knowledge of even the existence of the KZs. What would have happened?

We would have gotten slaughtered. Maybe in real, maybe with words. Whenever a country does something really awfully awfull, they should have the courage to stand to it, hanging their heads in shame.
Otherwise every other country is entitled (in my opinion) to dismiss that country, being a perpetual liar.
We stand up for it, we hang our heads in shame about it, and we really, really don't want ANYONE in the world simply saying "nay, it was not that way!" - although we can only put him under legal forces in our own country, of course (we are not US-americans..).


Now, if you want the truth, WE are telling it. We really try to. There may be errors or flaws in the documents, but even right now I could show you things on my desktop at work where I ordered "6 pieces of A" and got "3 pieces of B" because - well, a huge variety of causes. Problems with delivery or production, price-reductions on B, whatever. BTW: Nope, I am not building new ovens..

I just want to know one thing:


Why threads about Holocaust denial get all the attention, and threads about the Holocaust actually happening, but being made with the COLABORATION of the Zionists are forgotten, and quickly buried?

I guess it's because threads about the Holocaust actually happening, but being made with the COLABORATION of the Zionists are much more dangerous to the establishment, since they deal with the TRUTH?

reply to post by GLontra


Yes.. No? Frankly, I have no idea, which holocaust you are adressing right there? I would bet it is something small but very, very offending to you. But, as mentioned above, there are a lot of injustices in the world, which one are you speaking about?

I used to believe in the holocaust........i also used to believe in santa and jesus..............then i grew up and stopped believing in bull#.

Originally posted by cznmike
I had an uncle that was involved in the liberation of a concentration camp during world war II. He never spoke much of it, but stated that after that, his company never took German prisoners of war again. Any German soldier that attempted to surrender was killed. That in itself validates the reality of the Holocaust.

That doesn't validate anything except that
1)
18 months of nonstop bombing of Germany messed up the infrastructure and food/water supplies so bad that nothing could be sent to the camps. The Germans themselves were in the same terrible situation.
2)
War turns human beings into animals and that all people needs justification of their own atrocities. The Holocau$t serves many purposes.

The only people who loves war these days are the people who don't have to fight them; like certain jewish holocau$t surviving, Nobel Peace Price winners

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