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Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by satron
Oh, and how much fuel was needed to burn all the bodies, and why would a country at war designate that much fuel for that purpose?
They were buried in large pits and covered in lime... Not all were burnt.
Originally posted by verschickter
I´m a German. Those who deny parts of the holocaust or all of it shouldn´t be prosecuted.
Free speech must apply for every human, without exception. But we all know, free speech has a end somewhere, when it comes to hate, incitement, personal insult and so on.
Nobody should be prosecuted for telling his opinion.
I´m not denying holocaust and it was a terrible act of horror.
(btw: there were far greater genocides in history when you look at victim count, what about that? If someone does not know what I´m talking about, learn history, as I don´t want to derail. This fact does not make it any better of course.
Originally posted by darrman
reply to post by samerulesapply
i personally know LOTS of Blacks, who's families originally came from Africa, against their will..
edit on 6/13/12 by darrman because: spellenglish
Originally posted by Azadok2day
The ther genocides did not involve specifically asking for a race in every cou try that the German war machine occupied , this is what makes it so horrific
Originally posted by Lord Jules
Once you study the holocaust enough with a skeptical eye it starts to seem ridiculous. An example is, six million jews died in concentration camps and did not fight back? And supposedly they knew what was going on, some jews were even workers who moved dead bodies and cremated their fellow jews, without resisting? And some accounts say there were not even more than a few german guards.
The arrival at auschwitz is also contradictory. Did they get gassed immediately off the train? Our did they get a hair cut first? Was it both? But why give them a hair cut if they are going to be immediately killed?
Wild reports now discredited include electrocution floors, soap and lampshades made out of human skin, shrunken heads. Ridiculous claims that are discredited by even mainline historians.
The pictures also show no proof of gas chambers but instead starvation and disease (again why or how would a systematic death camp wait until prisoners are starved before they kill them? How could they lift dead bodies as workers if they are starved).
Why would they do this? This massive conspiracy? Many reasons: legitimate reason to mass migrate jews from europe to palestine. Paint the nazis as terrorists. Reparations to victims of the "holocaust". Victim status to commit war crimes against palestinians. Excuse to invade any country that may threaten jewish interests.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
reply to post by WP4YT
proof ? how obscene. how arrogant, grotesque, disrespectful and obscene. I'm not going to bother as you will just cry "fake"
how about this. go to a concentration camp yourself, and report back
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Having visited a camp myself. i am in no doubt the Holocaust was real. We should also remember , it was not just Jews sent to these camps. The disabled, mentally ill, Gypsies and Homosexuals were also sent to these concentration camps.
Originally posted by Cassius666
There shouldnt be laws against holocaust denial, any more than there should be laws for people who deny that men reached the north pole in 1909. The holocaust is well documentated, in large part by its perpetrators.
However it is true that the holocaust did not unfold as it is presented in movies. Only a small minority was murdered in the Ausschwitz gaschambers and other Gaschambers through Zyklon B. It was an imrpomptu solution for the facilty to run over capacity, where Zyklon B an delousing agent, was used in an uneffective way to kill some of the jews. Why Zyklon B? Because it was already in the system, each KZ had it and got supplied with it, all you needed was a closed chamber and you were good to go. A larger part was killed through bullets and an even larger part through starvation and desease. Most of the Zyklon B got used in fact for delousing, but you dont want to use that in a closed space.
The Reich utilized IBM computers to calculate how much food to allocate on average, so that an inmate could work, but still had so little that he would fall prey to starvation and desease. This was to accolmplish 2 goals. To avoid obvious killing of jews and prisoners of war on German turf (Shooting gassing) and to have a workforce. The inmates got moved thrgouh the system and only those who survived long enough or werent deemed usefull, ended up in dedicated murder camps where co2 was used in the gaschamber.
Some people dont deny the holocaust, but give a lower figure of those murdered, not counting those who fell prey to famine and desease. However they were put in a system that was meant to kill them in that matter, therefore they still count as murdered.edit on 15-6-2012 by Cassius666 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by HumanCondition
reply to post by samerulesapply
I suppose you could say that those who deny the holocaust are basically saying the whole thing is one big conspiracy.
No, just because someone denies the official holocaust story does not mean they believe it has to be one big conspiracy.
Well if you cant beat what they are saying I guess it is better to silence them then to have to face reality and listen to what they are saying.
what good does persecuting them do?
Well this is what pushers of the official story have done with millions if not billions of people haven't they. Most people don't even know the facts yet are almost religious on believing what they have been told.
..nobody can force you to believe anything or agree with them,
Mind you these are the same people who think its acceptable to commit genocide on Palestinians when complaining about their own genocide. I think the lie that people should be incarcerated for talking is just another thing that has been pushed on a large amount of people by a small group looking for some type of gain. It is very much the sign of a society in demise.
I find it bizarre that people think it's acceptable to imprison someone for having what some consider a down right stupid belief or opinion.
I dont really hold any definitive views on the holocaust. I know that Jews were treated just like anyone else during that time and that a lot of people died. But their is a lot of evidence missing and people refuse to accept that. So the official story is impossible for me to believe until sufficient evidence is presented. It would seem that people were certainly not gassed that's for sure tho, at least not in such large numbers or so regularly.
I'm also interested to hear the opinions of anyone who believes the holocaust to be a big lie
Also the 6million figure is an utter joke.