(Masonic) Jesters,human sex trafficing and multimillon dollar fraud case.

reply to post by no1smootha


I think the major difference you are looking for between Nspecta's story and yours is that in Nspecta's case, the two criminals involved were actually investigated and brought to justice. Like I said earlier, surely there are grounds for a federal investigation just like they do with the mafia. If you guys have nothing to hide but silly hats, walks, talks and signs then why not welcome a financial audit or some such totally legal investigation. This article says that the masons were busted because they weren't putting the jesters on their tax filings.

reply to post by Nspekta


are you a money laundering coke head? Because you worked for this company, you are associated with them. If 5 ATS members started threads calling you the above, would it upset you? Would you defend your honor? Would you wonder how people could be so stupid? Context is everything.

The only bad people were the two head honchos. They found an easy way to fuel their greed.
But the structure of your company is vastly different from Freemasonry.

What if your company actually elected CEO's for a 1 year term out of a pool of regular workers who had proven that they wanted to move up. Then, after the one year term, they CEO's would take their places back in the ranks. Then there were regular audits of every financial aspect twice a year. Do you think your company would have had the same problems?

I'm looking in google news.
But I don't see anything come up.
Other than that website.
Any news links?

hrmmm.. found something on the FBI website

www.fbi.gov...

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by no1smootha

 

I think the major difference you are looking for between Nspecta's story and yours is that in Nspecta's case, the two criminals involved were actually investigated and brought to justice. Like I said earlier, surely there are grounds for a federal investigation just like they do with the mafia. If you guys have nothing to hide but silly hats, walks, talks and signs then why not welcome a financial audit or some such totally legal investigation. This article says that the masons were busted because they weren't putting the jesters on their tax filings.

are you reading a different article than everyone else here? The ones involved did get caught. That is the whole story. The investigation is what brought all the other stuff to light.

And, being a 501C3 organization, we are subject to open book audits. If not, we would loose that status.

I took the liberty of pulling some pics off of one of her articles:

Originally posted by Nspekta
What is was getting across was that there are people within a group at a lower level, that may not know what is going on above them

But the Jesters aren't above anybody. They have no power in Masonry. So it's a moot point, isn't it?

reply to post by relocator

So again, a group of 19 men in one state can is indicative of what the rest us Masons in the nation...in the world do? You also realize these men were from one chapter of the Jesters in NY? So it's not like it is a NY thing either.

The government cannot force the entire Jester Order to dissolve. None of those points that the State argued warrant the destruction of the Jesters. When was any private organization required to "relieve any government burden"? Where do the Jesters say they are offering charitable services? Why are they arguing about how "Jester educational activities are limited to the membership"? Is privacy now wrong? Is freedom of assembly now wrong? Would you burn an orchard down because you found a few bad apples?

reply to post by relocator

We're not justifying, we expelled them and they deserved that and more.

Nice try though at a petty attack.

reply to post by relocator

Hubris anyone?

reply to post by Nspekta

Except the Jesters have no controlling authority nor does being a Jester mean anything outside of that group.

To put it into perspective, 19 of 23,000 is .0826%...if it is logical to damn a group for such a miniscule percentage then non-Masons have a lot to answer for all of their crimes.

reply to post by KSigMason


More to the point, if I recall correctly it was 19 Jesters called as witnesses in a civil trial—not charged, themselves with any criminal wrongdoing…

reply to post by KSigMason


The article states:

A few days after that, I learned about how 19 Jesters were named on a witness list for the defense in a defamation action between two fishing tour operators who took groups to fish the Amazon in Brazil. "'Jesters' To Testify about Illegal Drugs, Child Prostitution?" was published about three weeks later, on March 6, 2008, and reported how these Jesters were expected to testify about "their first hand knowledge of prostitution, minor prostitution, use of illegal drugs and/or the alleged illegal entry of one of the tour operators into Indian reservations by the plaintiff and his customers."

Three days later, on March 9, 2008, The Buffalo News reported "Former Judge Tills resigns amid FBI prostitution investigation."

Reporters Dan Herbeck and Aaron Besecker wrote:

"A retired State Supreme Court justice resigned his post as a hearing officer as federal agents investigate his alleged role in taking a local massage parlor worker across state lines for purposes of prostitution. FBI and U.S. Border Patrol agents are investigating allegations that retired Judge Ronald H. Tills, his former law clerk and a retired police captain took the female massage parlor employee in a motor home to a gathering of members of a nationwide group called the Royal Order of Jesters."

Turns out the judge, his law clerk and the retired police captain got caught in a FBI human trafficking sting and pleaded guilty to taking, or conspiring to take, illegal alien prostitutes to Jester parties in Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Florida as well as a national meeting held in Ontario, Canada. The law clerk was sentenced last December to four months home confinement, fined $5,000, ordered to 250 hours of community service and put on two years probation.

The former judge and retired police captain are scheduled to be sentenced May 6 and 7 for violating the Mann Act.

So Jester parties are a real Hoot!

It's sad that the Masons don't call out these activities and police there own... It appears they defend and deny any wrong doings.

Just like the Vatican and the priest they protect who break the law.

reply to post by relocator

So Jester parties are a real Hoot!

It's sad that the Masons don't call out these activities and police there own... It appears they defend and deny any wrong doings.

What are you talking about? Nobody defended these guys, they are out of the fraternity, they are facing criminal charges. This is proof that all the conspiracies are bogus. Being a Mason does not keep you out of trouble with the law, and brother Masons will not stand up and back an immoral character, we will kick them to the curb and hope justice is done.

reply to post by getreadyalready


How about the Jesters that hold positions in law enforcement?

At the end of the day, these guys, these Jesters, are sworn to protect their brothers, above all else.

The question is "Are today's Jesters, in these same positions, disclosing that they are members of a group being investigated by the FBI for sex crimes on their conflict of interest statements for their security clearances?" because if not, this presents a clear and present danger to us all as our tax dollars pay for protection.

I see Shners from time to time collecting money at the stop lights. I need to take pics of these men so you all can decide for yourselves if they look as evil to you as they do to me. I'll donate my money to the hospital in need. Apparently their spending the money on partying down.

reply to post by relocator


WTF?

We've decried them over and over in this thread. They've been denounced, condemned and written of by every mason here.

Nobody defended "them". But "them" ain't "us". You cannot be a Freemason and do crap like this. Therefore they are not Masons.

reply to post by emsed1


I'm sorry if I missed the part where it was stated that these Jester parties going on Nationwide are being condemed by Masons. I was under the impression that the Masons were in damage control and trying to minimize the fact that it's only a few bad apples. When in fact this crap is going on in Several states.

When I read this...my blood started to boil....

Sandy Frost is an investigative journalist and has connected the dots by investigating the society more than anybody. She did not do this by spouting anonymous sources and conspiracy theories. She did this by getting documents through the freedom of information act, sources and just plain hard work. In this recent work, she connects the Shriners to doing experiments on children that are burn victims. Basically if you remember the movie The Fugitive, Dr. Kimble’s wife was killed because he was going to reveal that a drug did not work. The Shriners are doing the same to children with a treatment that does not work and has not been approved by the FDA. Nobody seems to want to take notice. The mainstream media, federal government, and the Masons themselves do not seem to want to look at this latest revelation.

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I have no tolorence for seeing or hearing about children being abused....Shameful

reply to post by relocator

I see Shners from time to time collecting money at the stop lights. I need to take pics of these men so you all can decide for yourselves if they look as evil to you as they do to me. I'll donate my money to the hospital in need. Apparently their spending the money on partying down.

I've stood on the street corners and collecting money for the Shriner's Hospitals many times. In fact, in Florida, the only two groups of people legally able to approach traffic are the Firemen and Shriners. We have specific legislative approval to do so, everyone else is doing it illegally.

You can take pictures all you want, I can send you some if you like.

If they are also law enforcment officers and they get special treatment from that connection, then take that up with law enforcement, not Masons. I can tell from first hand experience that law enforcement officers do cover for their own up to a point. I can also tell you that the FBI folks that investigate sex-crimes don't give a damn if you are LEO, Shriner, or Senator! They take their jobs seriously and passionately. I have a friend that investigates child pornography for the FBI, and he would arrest his mother if he caught her.

reply to post by relocator


That quote was sort of silly. To begin with, the burn centers are separate from the children's hospitals. Most of the patients in the burn centers are adults.

Secondly, "the Shriners" don't perform these medical services, they just pay the doctor bills.

reply to post by relocator


Let's look at this one step at a time:

The "experiments" on children were being conducted as a research study by the University of Cincinnati. They happened to take place at the Shriner's hospital. Shriner's-Cincinnati is a certified 30-bed Pediatric Burn Center. They have saved thousands of lives and helped thousands of children who suffered burns.

The "horrible" conditions that caused the study to be "shut down" was a failure by the UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI investigators to properly get signed informed consent forms.

The study, of Perma-Derm, was to help pediatric burn victims and soldiers with burn injuries regrow their own skin.

The adverse effects that were not well-documented that lead to the suspension were not due to the Perma-Derm itself, but rather the failure of nursing staff to properly prepare the patients, infections, sepsis and other nosocomial infections that happen at EVERY hospital in the world.

THIS WEEK the FDA granted Orphan status to PermaDerm, meaning it is safe and effective for use.

FDA


Finally, that other stuff about the dr and the drug... that was a TV series and a movie.

reply to post by Masonic Light


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Shriners Hospitals for Children...Ever heard of them? Well Guess who is opening a new one:

Justine Timberlake...awww.

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The Shriners' red fez and mini-scooter parades are the goofy side to their very serious support of the Shriners Hospitals For Children. The system operates nearly two dozen hospitals throughout North America. The majority of its hospitals specialize in orthopedic conditions; others specialize in treating serious burn injuries, spinal cord injuries, and cleft lips and palates. Founded by the fellowship, Shriners International, the hospitals are supported by a multitude of fundraising events arranged by the organization's 340,000 members. As a result, Shriners Hospitals are able to treat children regardless of their families' ability to pay. Shriners Hospitals For Children was founded in 1922.

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Originally posted by relocator
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Shriners Hospitals for Children...Ever heard of them? Well Guess who is opening a new one:

Justine Timberlake...awww.

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What is this post supposed to mean? Yes, Shriners are well aware of our hospitals. I've visited a couple and they are immaculate. I'm sure you can find 1000 awesome reviews and stories from people saved by them. One woman I work with came up and hugged me one day when she found out I was a Shriner, because the Shriner hospitals had given her surgery and therapy as a kid that no one else could or would do.

Yes, Justin Timberlake gave them some money. Awesome for him, very charitable, and it went to a great cause.

What the hell are you trying to say?

Do they do experimental treatments? Yes they do. So does Shands, so does Mayo, and so does any University. Experimental treatments have specific disclaimers and laws to protect the participants, and they are never done without full consent. Sometimes experimental treatments are exactly what people need, because conventional treatments have already failed.

I'm having a hard time understanding your agenda? Have you ever visited a Shriner's Hospital?

Shriner's Success Stories Maybe google that term and find 1000s more stories just like it. I've driven a bus from my town down to the hospital for family to visit kids and kids to get treatment. I bet if you started spouting your ridiculousness anywhere near those folks you would get pummelled, LOL! I've never heard a bad word about a Shriner hospital in my life!! Not once, and I work in the field of Medical Malpractice Investigations!