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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Not much to debate. I think that's the problem. This is to well documented and researched to argue.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Blaine91555
The problem with stories like this is people see a few folks who are Masons doing something corrupt, illegal, immoral etc and then project it onto all of us. As great as Masonry is .. we are still Humans, and thus are subjected to the Human Condition. To say "All" Masons are upstanding people, completely moral, just downright good guys... would be a lie. We have bad apples too. But as Masoniclight also said.. this story has been beaten to death numerous times.edit on 6/13/2012 by Rockpuck because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by capod2t
Shriners are Masons and represent their private organizations.
None of this would be notable as far as Masonry is concerned if the Jesters were not connected to the Shrine, and the Shrine to Freemasonry. Face it. For over a hundred years, the Shrine has been the playground of Masonry, and has reveled in, and encouraged, its public image as a bunch of big-drinking, stripper-slapping, fez-wearing party animals, who engage in such behavior for the good cause of the hospitals. AND THAT'S FINE.
The Shrine is what it is. But to tell a man, on the one hand, that the Shrine is one more logical step for a Freemason to take, and then, on the other hand, to bring on the hookers, absolutely flies in the face of Masonic obligations. To fill the Blue Lodge with lofty lectures of morality and virtue, then to guard the door of the Shrine with off-duty cops and tell new candidates, "What happens here stays here," is the worst kind of hypocrisy. It throws mud on Freemasonry.
Originally posted by Sinny
Do your research and get to the bottom of it.