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Russia prepares army for Syrian deployment

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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Russia has every right to send troops to defend its base in Syria. It does not need approval from anyone including UN to do that. Also, if the host government asks any country to send its troops to help them out then there need not be any approval from UN or US or NATO.

While mere 200 Navy Marines is a small contingent but in political terms it is a big message.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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RT.com

Russia’s Black Sea fleet not heading to Syria – navy

­All warships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet remain in their bases and the crews are engaged in everyday activities, a naval source has told RIA Novosti. The only exception is the Cesar Kunikov large landing ship, which is returning from Messina in Italy and passed through the Bosphorus Strait on Friday. It is expected to arrive back at its base in Sevastopol on Saturday. Earlier reports in the US media suggested that a number of warships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet are preparing to go to Syria in order to strengthen, or protect, Moscow’s naval base in the Syrian port of Tartus. A group of Russian warships, led by the Admiral Kuznetsov heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, visited the base in January for maintenance and to replenish its reserves.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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The general staff denounced info of one landing ship going to Syria (as posted above), however it confirmed that some Black Sea ships including landing ships are fully prepared to take action if such is needed to defend the base in Tartus.
You may use google translate to search Russian sources news.yandex.ru...
www.regnum.ru...



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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SYRIA/ Catholic Patriarch: Christians used as human shields by the rebels www.ilsussidiario.net... els/286710 DIRECT LINK

"Syrian Christians are being used as human shields by the rebels in clashes with Assad’s Army. This is the accusation of Patriarch Gregory III Laham, the highest Catholic authority of Damascus, the Patriarch of Antioch, all of the East, Alexandria and Melkite Jerusalem. The Patriarch tells about nighttime kidnappings of the faithful of his diocese, with ransom payments of up to 200 thousand U.S. dollars, homes confiscated or blown up, and continuous incursions of armed Sunni Muslims in Catholic neighborhoods. During an interview with Ilsussidiario.net, Gregory III reveals the details of his last audience with Pope Benedict XVI, during which they spoke about the Syrian crisis. On the subject of the Houla massacre, he emphasizes: "That the government would do that is against logic. The artillery of the Army was outside the village, while the executions were perpetrated by someone inside".

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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:30 PM
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IMO Russia gives these leaks to the press, to show her readiness to be involved, and that to happen rather fast. The denials, accompanied by new info of future missions, only prove that notion.

Similarly, the 2 nuclear ships voyage to the Caribbean and landing of bombers in Venezuela was preceded by similar "leaks" and suggestions in the Russian media that were constantly denied by officials. Some generals may be retired, said that it would be good to station strategic bombers in Cuba. When the media carried out that, Condy Rice said that Russia would cross a red line if doing so. The leak was then denied by officials. We know what followed in the Fall 2008. So the leaks were testing the waters. Another such a media suggestion of old generals was to put nukes in space as answer to US missile shield.

Similarly happens now. I wonder what is the red line for Russia if Cuba is the red line for USA. Cubawas mentioned these days as "btw" by some senior politician, was it Lavrov. Could it be exactly Syria - the only remaining Russian base outside of CIS.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:49 PM
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How about the helicopters news. Now we know they were old helicopters repaired in Russia. So they sent the 30 years old machines to be repaired and sent back home to take part in combat with enemy that could have stingers as in Afghanistan? I'd rather expect Russia would supply brand new machines of the same kind.
Syria had Mi-25 en.wikipedia.org...

The preparedness of not only one but several landing ships shows Russia is preparing for a large scale operation. The marines are already in Tartus - they traveled with one of the ships that visited the port. So it is not only a squadron of Marines to be transported.

I wouldn't be surprised in Russia preempts any action of NATO in Syria, in the style of Kosovo airport incident. If NATO bombardment starts first, it will be very difficult for Russia to do anything without entering into a direct conflict with NATO. If Russia goes first there, even only in Tartus, then it will be very difficult for NATO to start shooting.

In all, IMO the things are going towards a world war. Especially if a chemical rocket explodes and both Syrian sides (or as many as they are) blame the other. Or if such a rocket lands anywhere in Israel. Israel already said the plans for evacuation of Tel Aviv are ready if any such attack occurs.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 12:54 AM
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US believes Russia has ship with weapons, troops en route to Syria security.blogs.cnn.com...
"Classified U.S. imagery shows the ship, called the Nikolay Filchenkov, began loading in the port of Sevastapol on the Black Sea on June 7 and is headed for the Syrian port of Tartus"

the ship capacity is
300 troops + 1,700 tons including about 20 tanks and various trucks or 40 AFV's

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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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Russia Sending Missile Systems to Shield Syria www.nytimes.com...


Russia Sending Missile Systems to Shield Syria By ANDREW E. KRAMER Published: June 15, 2012 Facebook Twitter Google+ Email Share Print Reprints MOSCOW — Russia’s chief arms exporter said Friday that his company was shipping advanced defensive missile systems to Syria that could be used to shoot down airplanes or sink ships if the United States or other nations try to intervene to halt the country’s spiral of violence.
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Mr. Isaykin, a powerful figure in Russia’s military industry, openly discussed the weapons being shipped to Syria: the Pantsyr-S1, a radar-guided missile and artillery system capable of hitting warplanes at altitudes well above those typically flown during bombing sorties, and up to 12 miles away; Buk-M2 antiaircraft missiles, capable of striking airplanes at even higher altitudes, up to 82,000 feet, and at longer ranges; and land-based Bastion antiship missiles that can fire at targets 180 miles from the coast.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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Frankly speaking, Russia sets up a trap for US /EU planes should they decide to go on a scenario similar to the Libyan. Despite the claim that the anti-air systems are not the best Russia can provide (not S-300,400), these are quite advanced too and it remains to be proved whether or not the NATO planes could escape them. Perhaps Russia wants to test its own air defence in Syria, far from the motherland? As of the anti-ship missiles Yakhont in the Bastion mobile complexes, they are without NATO analogue and are especially designed for carrier groups. They are the latest of missiles known as carrier-killers. The Indian-Russian BrahMos is developed based on them. Indeed, they are never tested in battle conditions. Perhaps Syria will be the big testing ground for US vs Russian weaponry?



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Russian military is in no position to take on the West. Hope Russian higher command is wise enough to not get into that scenario. It is the Russians who looted and destroyed their own military and motherland in 1990s and even after 2000s. Now it would be foolish to rely on the machine that was looted with both hands.

Sorry to say, but better bets are with the diplomats.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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I fully agree the best is diplomacy and negotiated settlement as it was in 1989.
Unfortunately, Russia is terribly ready for a first nuclear strike at any given moment, with some 3:1 ratio of warheads
FAS official data -www.fas.org... they list only warheads on duty "operational" that could be launched in minutes, and stockpiles. That is enough to see that while the negotiated on duty warheads have parity (4,075 USA to 5,192 Russia), the stockpiles of Russia are enormous (5,400 USA to 14,000 RU). Moreover, Russia is suspected to keep unlisted thousands of tactical old nukes (source Robert Gates), that could be fit in every torpedo and shell, as in the time of Cuban crisis. Let alone laser and particle beam etc unknown weapons that Russia had them fully developed in 1988 (Polyus the only one known). Or what is produced in underground cities like Yamantau mt. Russia is more ready for doomsday scenario than for a regional war. And that was evident since the first Gulf war.

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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by 2012newstart

The preparedness of not only one but several landing ships shows Russia is preparing for a large scale operation. The marines are already in Tartus - they traveled with one of the ships that visited the port. So it is not only a squadron of Marines to be transported.

I wouldn't be surprised in Russia preempts any action of NATO in Syria, in the style of Kosovo airport incident.


What you are mixing up here is the anti-terrorist Russian Marine Deployment that accompanies the Black Sea Fleet Auxiliary vessels. This is standard as the majority of the crew on the auxiliary vessels are civilian. This is standard procedure for any vessel and especially those visiting a country in turmoil such as Syria.

The Black Sea Fleet Tanker Iman visited Tartus and has since returned to Sevastopol. It carried the deployment of protection Marines and some elements of the media got carried away with claims that Russia was deploying Marines.

The confusion was addressed by the Russian Ministry of Defence.

en.rian.ru...

rusnavy.com...

Even the frigate Smetlivy has returned to the Black Sea from its Mediterranean cruise

rusnavy.com...

The only Russian Navy vessel currently in Tartus is the Floating Workshop PM-138

The PM-138 every six hours sends a weather Morse Code transmission on 10201 Khz from Tartus. I can pick it up here in the UK but sometimes use a remote receiver in Italy on Global Tuners. Previously the weather ship was the Tanker Iman and that too sent routine weather from Tartus.

This is from the transmission tonight at 18 Greenwich Meantime (16th June) from the floating workshop in Tartus.

10201 Khz Simplex

RCV DE RBIZ 270 17 16 2200 270 BT FOR RJE73 RJH45 BT
16181 99349 10358 22200 00262 (Stripped out information as the rest is just weather related)

RCV is HQ Sevastopol and RBIZ is the floating workshop PM-138

The stripped out weather transmission has the latitude and longitude

34.9N 35.8E Currently hove to at Tartus with a sea temperature of 26.2.

Russia can't really pre-empt with a Kosovo style operation. They are still hamstrung in the same way as they were back in 1999 due to air transport overflight restrictions. Who is going to give them overflight permission for combat troops? Certainly not Turkey! The Russian troops in Kosovo were part of SFOR peacekeepers in Bosnia and had to go via the land route. Russia couldn't re-supply them because Romania and Bulgaria denied them overflight permission. The Russians were upset but they weren't going to violate sovereign airspace or get into conflict to re-supply their forces directly. The only route out is via the Bosphorus with their naval forces and that is under treaty with Turkey. NATO is not going to undertake a mission in Syria despite all the conspiracy hype and Russia is certainly not going to deploy substantial forces to protect Assad.


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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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YES! They are taking the bait! now they will be bogged down and attacked by Muslims and vilified the world over. An actual attempt at a "Hearts and minds" mission from Russia to rescue Syria.This will be nasty.I am dreading the losses though,I will pray they are not great but we all know how Russians rescue things thanks to Beslan right?
"I'm from Russia I'm here to help" If you think America is so bad watch this folks,this will make us look real good.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Russia can shipload lots of soldiers and weapons via Caspian sea to Iran and then road trip to Syria. Same for the flight operations which would be much more easy.

However, Russia is in no position to take on the West. It would be fooooooolish on their part to do so. And more so, when there are so many other peaceful levers they can pull to get the job done.

Regarding the talk of the nukes, that is insanity logic to somewhere I do not even want to go for discussion.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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Wouldn't they have to cross thru Iraq to get from Iran to Syria?



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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"The Russian Air Force ready to provide air cover for naval ships of Russia in case they are sent to Syria to evacuate the Russians (citizens), said on Saturday the Air Force Deputy Commander, Major-General Vladimir Degrees." www.ria.ru...



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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TextBut their airborne, that's a different story. A dug in airborne division, especially in urban areas, would be a high cost affair to root out.


That's why they make 10,000 pound fuel air bombs . The pressure wave kills everything within a thousand yards and anything in a hardened bunker in the general drop area has the oxygen depleted from the burst. The bible does say that Damascus will be destroyed never to be inhabited again and also says that Russian and Iran will be involved . Looks like that fairy tale is coming true again.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:18 PM
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There is only 1.5 hours of Iraq to pass via road from Iran into Syria. For special ops that is easy and more so because the smuggling route is very active in that region. Northern Iraq is Kurdistan area which does not like to take many orders from Baghad either. Also, Iran has lots of influence in today's Iraq both in social and political terms. Lots of Iranian weapons are sent via this route to Syria already.

However, Russia would not do a squat in the military terms in Syria unless its own base in Tartus is attacked. If US goes ahead with limited air strikes and no fly zone, RuAF does not have any ability to confront or deny USAF from carrying out the mission. It would be a shameful disaster that would reduce Russian military standing to the level of third world nations.

Providing cover to the civilian evacuation ships is just a face saving drama. Similar drama was played in Kosovo airport where excuse was taken in the fact that supply planes overflight was not permitted by Romania, Ukraine and Bulgaria. In truth, Russians knew this all along but just wanted to pull the stunt to gain some attention. Pathetic demeanor. If you are weak then act accordingly. Being weak and acting strong is funny at the least.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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The most glorious moment for the Russian Military was in December 1991 when Boris Yeltsin with one stroke of the pen, broke up the USSR into 15 pieces and Russian Military stood watching with thumbs dug sooooooooo deep up their own asses that it took a mechanical pulley to yank out. Then the losers went running around selling all sorts of military equiptment to anyone and everyone at the throw away prices to meet their vodka requirements.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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If usa attacks russian forces,usa will be turned to nuclear radioactive glass.



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