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Debunk this documentary. You can´t. ET Contact DOES occur.

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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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When you discounted this case and didn't even watch the video's, but said that this discounted ufology, I found that interesting, even noticed you made a new thread on this.

Perhaps you should read this post.

www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican

I see people here arguing about equipment, when they tried many different cameras, all with the same result. :shk:

If you are a skeptitard,
Wahaha, can't touch this one. It is solid. Live with it. Embrace it. Stop denying.


The most convincing and most elaborate hoaxes, manipulations and deceivings often have extremely easy explanations.

As i stated earlier, from an "evidence" point of view, this footage is very, very poor. To be honest, people and researchers tend to overthink - you do not need to send the footage to George Lucas' company and make a big analysis in regards to possible CGI - because the answer could be as simple as someone running around outside with a light or filming a light bulb.

The simplest, easiest thing. I do not, for a second, think that it would be impossible to create this effect on film - whether it is done intentionally or done "by mistake" or whatever agenda is behind this entire case. For what its worth she could have been filming a near airport for the last 30 years years and each time there is a shake of the camera it would result in those strings of light.

The fact they happen at night and only show lights is suspicious as well.

Furthermore, i did not have the impression that the film team was very critical neither even tried to find an explanation for the light on the window. In fact, for me it looked like this light was just a "bonus" which was happily welcomed as the added icing on the cake for the documentary.

There is A LOT missing in terms of neutral, fair "investigation" which (despite the niceness of the person in question) each such case DOES deserve.

The most simplest debunking questions were not even addressed....for one, i would very much like to know what is actually on this spot on the hill the lady is always filming (at night, mind you!). No one even BOTHERED to look into this. What if there is, by coincidence, their local small airport right at the same spot?

I am asking because history is FULL with people who have a total lack of common sense or more knowledge, they see/film things which can be landing lights, car headlights etc. or the MOST SIMPLE explanation ever - but their belief and state of mind is so altered and confused they would not even accept it if someone shows them without a doubt what they *really* filmed. Imagine..it would mean her belief of 30+ years would crumble and be proven a delusion/illusion...and people are EXTREMELY unwilling to admit they are wrong or if anything goes against their once established beliefs....their entire world view is centered around what "reality" they established for themselves, it has "become" their truth.

There were situations in the footage in the docu where the lights awfully, awfully closely resemble a distant air port, military base etc. NO ONE bothered even to "debunk" this in the first place and/or ask some questions.

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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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Yea. I had to.

Its funny. People most likely read my posts and think i'm 100% skeptic. This isn't true.

I'm simply a person who wants to know more on the subject and find the truth. I'm just sick of seeing crap that has no foundation in reality.

I want to know. I don't want to believe.

Or should I say not just believe.
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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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If that is the case truly then you need to do some seeking, with a good heart and intent, because I believe very strongly those who seek find. But pure of heart and good intent and protection, having positive thoughts. Meditation and skywatching can bring results.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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Man. I've gone though the troubles of learning photoshop and downloading countless FBI docs.

Many sleepless nights reading and learning the best I could.

There's nights i'm looking for pure fantasy. I read on the different types of aliens. Alliances and treaty's. I let my imagination take hold.

In the end I rely on gut feeling and reason to keep my views in line.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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I'm going to bed.

I have to post this.

Its clear to me that most people on these forums don't care about learning the truth behind life outside of the solar system. They care about fantasy.

Keep to your fantasy and keep playing into the disinformation of the man. If you can't see the harm you do then I feel sorry for you.

Peace

Go watch some start trek.

yea its a double post. sue me.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 12:54 AM
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Preceisely. The world is a boring and dismal place right now. There is no better way to scape from reality by just going full-out crazy and believing in whatever appealing fantasy or belief-system that they think protect them from the stark abyss of genuine, scientific, fact-based reality.

And when challenged, particularly zealous believers will fight to the death any and every minute threat to that house-of-cards they think to be reality.

As you can obviously see, the close-minded folks aren't the ones questioning the veracity of all these claims. It's usually the people who make them.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 01:19 AM
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Wow thank you for this doco, I am yet to find someone who has been through a similar thing as me, I could really relate to Dorothee's experiences!



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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I saw this documentary a long time ago and was very unimpressed. I probably commented on it in another thread. From what I remember there is no film footage shown at all, only single frames of light patterns. The patterns can be explained away as deliberate manipulation or a faulty camera. Just the result of a locked open shutter on a single frame a few colourful light sources and an unsteady hand. No evidence of UFOs or aliens in any of the images.

If Steven Greer presented these exact same images most everyone would cry fraud.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by TrueAmerican




Furthermore, i did not have the impression that the film team was very critical neither even tried to find an explanation for the light on the window. In fact, for me it looked like this light was just a "bonus" which was happily welcomed as the added icing on the cake for the documentary.


The most simplest debunking questions were not even addressed....for one, i would very much like to know what is actually on this spot on the hill the lady is always filming (at night, mind you!). No one even BOTHERED to look into this. What if there is, by coincidence, their local small airport right at the same spot?




You didn't pay very close attention to ALL the videos, did you?


The window was OPEN. The light WAS NOT a reflection from the camera. They also drove up to the area where the light was seen to see if it could be headlights from a car. They couldn't see the car lights from the house. There is no airport because they live in a remote country setting.

Why don't you watch the videos, and pay attention, before you go sticking your foot in your mouth?



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by Chargeit


Its clear to me that most people on these forums don't care about learning the truth behind life outside of the solar system. They care about fantasy.



Take a look in the mirror.... MAN!


I will be ignoring your posts from this point on. You cannot possibly, seriously, debate the information in this thread when you refuse to even watch the videos, or listen to the interview the moderator provided in his link! You are the one who is refusing to learn the truth, and you're showing your level of intelligence in the process.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 07:37 AM
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WOW! This is pretty strange... Your thoughts and the things you picked up on in this video match mine to a T.



I actually did start 'calling em down', but no luck yet..



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by protocolsoflove
This is so dumb. Buncha white people talkin about UFOs. Everyone I meet now has some story about how they saw a UFO. I think people make this crap up just to sound cool.
how could this have possibly been worth your time to post? stay out of this forum................wow.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by sled735

Originally posted by Chargeit


Its clear to me that most people on these forums don't care about learning the truth behind life outside of the solar system. They care about fantasy.



Take a look in the mirror.... MAN!


I will be ignoring your posts from this point on. You cannot possibly, seriously, debate the information in this thread when you refuse to even watch the videos, or listen to the interview the moderator provided in his link! You are the one who is refusing to learn the truth, and you're showing your level of intelligence in the process.


Well if i'm a fool what does that make you falling into this bs disinformation?

Better to be a fool and know then be a fool and think your not.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by sled735

Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by TrueAmerican




Furthermore, i did not have the impression that the film team was very critical neither even tried to find an explanation for the light on the window. In fact, for me it looked like this light was just a "bonus" which was happily welcomed as the added icing on the cake for the documentary.


The most simplest debunking questions were not even addressed....for one, i would very much like to know what is actually on this spot on the hill the lady is always filming (at night, mind you!). No one even BOTHERED to look into this. What if there is, by coincidence, their local small airport right at the same spot?




You didn't pay very close attention to ALL the videos, did you?


The window was OPEN. The light WAS NOT a reflection from the camera. They also drove up to the area where the light was seen to see if it could be headlights from a car. They couldn't see the car lights from the house. There is no airport because they live in a remote country setting.

Why don't you watch the videos, and pay attention, before you go sticking your foot in your mouth?


The one who doesn't keep attention is you, because in this (?) respective an earlier post i actually said "then it was shown the window was actually open so it couldn't have been a reflection". Furthermore i actually did watch the videos.

The fact is still on the table that the "interview light" does without the slightest doubt move in sync with the camera.

And my question in regards to a potential air-port or military base was in regards to a halfway serious research - or do you only believe there is none because you heard it in the documentary? Has EVER anyone done any research on this and really bothered to check the area where she is supposedly seeing the lights? And not only ask the ones already involved and getting an answer like "uhm..there is nothing which could cause the lights"...and then keep it at that???

This is a case where it's more or less obvious that in the 30 years NO ONE ever bothered to investigate properly...someone says something and then things are taken at face value. Should tell you something.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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There is only ONE freakin way alien presence would be universally accepted. A massive alien craft would have to be parked above time square for a full month. That's it .

These videos, photos, eyewitness accounts or interviews ARE NOT CONSIDERED FREAKIN PROOF!


With my next points ,I am aware I mite go off topic but I believe all of what I am about to state is relevant....

No intelligent person DENIES that UFOs exist. I mean, the problem is not "Unidentified Flying Objects," which can be anything, right. The problem with the UFO community is that they immediately LEAP to the conclusion that UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecraft with absolutely NO evidence to support it. It's, like, "I just saw something I've never seen in the sky before, and I can't identify it! Therefore, EXTRATERRESTRIAL!"That's crazy. And then I see all these Ancient Alien and UFO Hunter documentaries, with declared "scientists" jumping STRAIGHT to the extraterrestrial conclusion. I mean, realistically, there is NO evidence ANYWHERE that UFOs originate beyond the Earth. Even the kookiest Alien encounters feature aliens that are straight out of Star Trek, right? Humanoids, with articulated arms, legs, fingers, toes, seemingly PERFECTLY EVOLVED for walking around on Earth, breathing our air at the same gas mixture and atmospheric pressure. Do you realize how impossibly slim are the odds that an "alien species" could survive on this planet? Even the Reptoid stories describe creatures that apparently EVOLVED on Earth. But, I mean, it's not just the UFO documentaries that throw common sense and logic to the wind...

I've seen the same thing, the same sensationalism, the same STUPIDITY in the so-called "scientific" documentaries addressing the Big Bang and Black Holes and Magnetars and Quasars and all SORTS of theoretical nonsense presented as FACT.
It's NOT fact...

Astronomy is a MASSIVE edifice of theory. It's not even USEFUL theory, it's just speculative nonsense. Astronomers are the first to tell you, they wake up in a new world every day, because their theories get TRASHED with such regularity.

It's not only the FACT that most of what is presented as Science is pop-theory, it's the FACT that these "scientific documentaries" attempt to frighten the bejeezus out of viewers with nonsense...

For example, one of the most common topics on science network TV is if the human race would(could) escape the Earth before the Sun turned into a red giant 5 billion years from now.

I was stunned into silence. THIS is what "scientific documentaries" are teaching the average viewer(mainly kids) today.

My answer : No, No human being is EVER going to see the end of the Solar System. No human being will EVER prove the existence of Black Holes or Magnetars or Quasars or the Big Bang. Because we evolve too quickly, we adapt too quickly. If we survive the next million years, we won't BE Human Beings.

All these factual documentaries are pure bunk. They're NOT designed to enlighten you. They ARE designed to make you mindlessly follow the theorists(or UFOLOGISTS) — who have NO IDEA of where they're going. They're just making money off of bogus videos and bogus literature.

And, of course, I can't sign off without mentioning the various Biblical Archaeology documentaries... With very, very few exceptions, the Biblical Archaeology documentaries are produced by the same people who produce Ancient Aliens and Deep Space Marvels.



Yet Science(MAINLY VOODOO SCIENCE), which is based on MOUNTAINS of theory, is as much a religion as anything they attempt (and fail) to debunk.






posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Nice. someone who see's what I've been pushing for the last two pages. Wild claims doesn't back up UFO/Aliens.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Nice. someone who see's what I've been pushing for the last two pages. Wild claims doesn't back up UFO/Aliens.


I've been trying to refrain from even responding to your posts because I've seen your type before here. There really isn't any point. However, I'm tired of seeing you clog up this thread with nonsensical comments. You've come to a book report without reading the book. You're just party crashing sitting at the back yammering about how crappy the book is. Watch the vid or stfu.

thank you and have a nice day



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo

Originally posted by Chargeit
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Nice. someone who see's what I've been pushing for the last two pages. Wild claims doesn't back up UFO/Aliens.


I've been trying to refrain from even responding to your posts because I've seen your type before here. There really isn't any point. However, I'm tired of seeing you clog up this thread with nonsensical comments. You've come to a book report without reading the book. You're just party crashing sitting at the back yammering about how crappy the book is. Watch the vid or stfu.

thank you and have a nice day


I don't know if you're referring to Chargeit or myself or both.

I'll assume both. Thank you for the threat,, I'll take it as a compliment. Don't hold back Flytrany, let it go,,,just step out of the closet and release yourself.

Now you say I clog up the threads. Tell me ,,is disagreeing cold hardly with someone else considered clogging? And you called me stupid too... In case you didn't know nonsensical means stupid. If you didn't realize, its the 12th page already and you are still bitching to members need to watch the video.... Do you really think any of us haven't seen the 4 stupid videos. See how I used "stupid"..

You believe in aliens and these videos because you have undeniable blind faith in some old hag and all the alien science fiction jargon propaganda. Which non of it is proof. You do know what the definition of proof is ,,I hope so my dear Flytrany



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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I've seen your type before. To blinded by your hopes to see the truth in front of your eyes.

STFU You offer nothing to serious study of UFO's/Aliens.

I've already said. Aliens must be out there. But to assume everything is Alien because your to stupid to educate yourself beyond pipe dreams isn't my problem.
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BTW lamer.

I read about it. Google search is your friend. I don't need to waste my time watching easily impressed slack jawed fools be amazed to come to a conclusion.
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