It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
What is truth?
Originally posted by RSF77
What happens when you consider religion and evolution equal concepts?
Which one has more evidence for truth?
Yeah, I feel ya.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I personally don't care what people believe or what Religion they have faith in. WHAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH...is when someone knocks on my door and starts EVANGELIZING! It REALLY PISSES ME OFF! I try to stay away from another's belief system....except if it is a debate on a Board which is the proper venue for speaking about ones concepts and beliefs.
Did you ever notice that people of a Religion that supposedly preaches Non-Violence, Turn the other Cheek and Understanding and Compassion...become the exact opposite of this when confronted by a person who does not wish to hear their BULL?
These people have NO RESPECT FOR ANOTHER'S BELIEFS....yet they cry unfair when a person on a board like this presents LOGIC and PROOF that discredits some of what they believe.
They become HATE! Split Infinity
One must remember Satan is always trying to destroy Gods work and this is why he and His fallen angels started all these religions .
Originally posted by Confusion42
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by rhinoceros
Evolution doesn't teach that everything comes from some amoeba. Why are so quick to disregard the theory, when you haven't even bothered to find this out? Ultimately, diversity rises from imprecise replication of DNA (observed fact), and subsequent selection by nature (fact), repeated over and over (fact). This is the core of the modern theory of evolution. The first point was never part of Darwin's theory, and thus us learned find it cute when laymen call us Darwinists.edit on 13-6-2012 by rhinoceros because: (no reason given)
Oops.... evolution teaches we were seeded by aliens or we were dust and water and lightning strikes, how silly of me to forget, #chortle* chortle#
Tell me that is not a religious indoctrination fairy tail.
Facts are they? Well show me the evidence or am I spose to believe you like I am a believer of religious indoctrinations provided by scientists. I dont believe you. Not one bit. Evidence not assumptions.
As for Darwin he didnt know what DNA was so of course he didnt know what he was talking about. thats what makes evolution so stupid, Darwin though we were made up of water.
The truth is DNA needs 1, a sender 2, a code and 3, a receiver. If the DNA message is corrupted (imprecise replication of DNA) between the sender and the receiver then the receiver will not understand the code.
Evolution can not explain that simple sender code receiver relationship. Your argument is futile and scientists still cant explain it.
So if scientists cant explain it how can you. Foolish argumentedit on 13-6-2012 by borntowatch because: (no reason given)
"borntowatch", you are infected with the only known communicable disease known to man.
rhinoceroes gives you the meaning (DEFINITION), you know, the SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION OF EVOLUTION, and your disease ignores this, and you (borntowatch) refers back to the brainwashed lie filled crap you have contracted (the disease).
Your response right here, sums up the whole creationist / evolution debate.
Evolutionist provides the scientific definition of evolution.
Creationist ignores it, says his religious lie filled "definition" is correct.
Let's see if this communicable disease can be fixed. It's not that hard.
Start with Evidence of common descent
Than brush up on your Logic
Read about the Urey experiment and recent studies.
Let's see if you even have the balls to dare read something your preacher doesn't know about? Are you afraid? Lazy? Or just so brainwashed you think you will go to hell for reading facts?
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by jiggerj
Yes, and that person suddenly saw the ridiculousness in her religious beliefs. She then said something that, in my opinion, is how most religious people feel.
I said to her, "Do you honestly believe that there is an ALLL-knowing, ALLLL-powerful, inVISible being, who created the WHOLE universe, and who lives in another dimension called heavennnnn?"
Her eyes went wide, as though a band-aid had been suddenly ripped from her brain. She then said, "But I HAVE to believe." With that statement comes the unspoken words: "even though I know it isn't true."
edit on 6/13/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
And you believe from nothing we get the full table of elements, light and heat then life and death and its meaningless. You and your argument is less than childish.
you honestly believe that there is an Noooo-knowing, Nooo-power, Nooo being, NOOOO nothing that created the WHOLE universe, and who doesnt exist in any dimension called anything?"
Facepalm.
Your words are just silly.
Wow! Talk about being brainwashed. You can't even see logic when it's right in your face. And then, you can't even see the good sense in your own statement. Your words are right on the money.
How about Pele, goddess of volcanoes? Prove to us that she doesn't exist. Of course, she doesn't exist, but you can't prove it. Kinda ridiculous to believe in her though, eh?
Wow! Talk about being brainwashed. You can't even see logic when it's right in your face. The down side is there is no good sense in your comments.
The ridiculous nature of volcano ladys and spaghetti monsters is just a grasp
Christians have Jesus, 2000 years ago it was Jesus who left us His Holy Spirit.
Volcano ladys, whats in your head, thats simpleton talk, irrelevant deflection, fake structure to hide your inadequate argument.
2000 years ago Christ walked, nobody with a gram of intelligence denies that statement, you may I suspect.
Gamaliel stated if Christ is a fake this issue will go away, persecutions and millions of martyrs latter, here we stand. Christianity blossoms in India Africa and China. The church awakens.
Volcano lady, how silly.
Originally posted by knightwhosaysnih
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by Julio
This goes both ways;
In an evolution vs creation debate, have you managed to open the other person's mind?
Or have you ever converted (hate that word) someone?
Yes, and that person suddenly saw the ridiculousness in her religious beliefs. She then said something that, in my opinion, is how most religious people feel.
I said to her, "Do you honestly believe that there is an ALLL-knowing, ALLLL-powerful, inVISible being, who created the WHOLE universe, and who lives in another dimension called heavennnnn?"
Her eyes went wide, as though a band-aid had been suddenly ripped from her brain. She then said, "But I HAVE to believe." With that statement comes the unspoken words: "even though I know it isn't true."
edit on 6/13/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
I used to think like that.. But it didn't take me long to realise that everything we are currently experiencing is not a product of chance. There are waaaay too many "coincidences" in this world for it all to just be exactly that, a coincidence. I have since come to the realisation that science and religion don't have to be separate. That, and also the interpretations given by any one religion is never going to be 100% correct. It takes a mixture of almost every religion and science to get anywhere close to realising what is actually going on down here. Not saying that I have figured out life or anything like that, but things start to make a lot more sense when you open your mind up to new things and other religions, spirituality and everything in between.
I don't know if there is something all knowing, all powerful and "created" the universe.. but I definitely like to think there is something else after we die than just our corpse laying in the ground.
Do you honestly believe that we are all born once, some of us only a getting a few years, minutes, or seconds to live before we die of complications from child birth or something else, and that's it? Whatever energy we have that drives our human body just disappears when we die to an unknown void? Noone down here could ever really completely understand what is going on or the process of everything, but I can tell that it sure as hell ain't as black and white as: We get one shot to live our life, and when we die nothing further happens and our own individual consciousness ceases to exist. I'm not putting words in your mouth and saying that is what you believe, but that tends to be the general concensus of the typical athiest.
...the interpretations given by any one religion is never going to be 100% correct.
I used to think like that.. But it didn't take me long to realise that everything we are currently experiencing is not a product of chance.
How do you explain people having near death experiences?
Originally posted by jiggerj
The best any of us can do is look at how many times a certain condition exists in this universe, and then compare it to what the religious believe. When considering the afterlife it is believed that our energy (whatever kind of energy that may be) lives on. Yet, when we look at all the things that run on energy in this realm we find that: When computers die we know that it is not running somewhere else. No one is watching your television in another dimension after you've thrown it in the trash. When a sun goes supernova it is not shining in heaven. There is just nothing in this realm that offers even the slightest suggestion of an afterlife.
Slightly unrelated, but what does is mean when people say they have a relationship with God? People will sometimes say they talk to God and God talks back. Please, no half-assed "it's an experience you can't explain, man", just give me the straight facts. I am legitimately curious, and I won't make fun of you. I get very frustrated when I ask a religious person what seems to be a simple question and they quote something out of the big B or speak in riddles.
Deism (i/ˈdiː.ɪzəm/[1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/) is a religious philosophy which holds that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that the universe is the product of an intelligent creator. According to deists, the creator never intervenes in human affairs or suspends the natural laws of the universe. Deists typically reject supernatural events such as prophecy and miracles, tending instead to assert that a god (or "the Supreme Architect") does not alter the universe by intervening in it. This idea is also known as the clockwork universe theory, in which a god designs and builds the universe, but steps aside to let it run on its own. Two main forms of deism currently exist: classical deism and modern deism.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Unfortunately, when it comes to being brainwashed, on a scale from one to ten, you're a ten and totally lost to us. Go ahead and pray to your murderous god. I won't try and stop you.
How do you explain people having near death experiences?
Why are human's so intelligent?
Why do we know things about the Universe that is trillion's of light years away?
Why do we know how the origin of the universe expanded?
Why do we contemplate the afterlife?
Why are we in a perfect position in the Universe, to test the sciences?
Why did Jesus come up with the most profound moral rule, when he said to give your other cheek if someone strikes your cheek?
Ask Jesus if he is the truth.edit on 14-6-2012 by addygrace because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by rhinoceros
Evolution doesn't teach that everything comes from some amoeba. Why are so quick to disregard the theory, when you haven't even bothered to find this out? Ultimately, diversity rises from imprecise replication of DNA (observed fact), and subsequent selection by nature (fact), repeated over and over (fact). This is the core of the modern theory of evolution. The first point was never part of Darwin's theory, and thus us learned find it cute when laymen call us Darwinists.edit on 13-6-2012 by rhinoceros because: (no reason given)
Oops.... evolution teaches we were seeded by aliens or we were dust and water and lightning strikes, how silly of me to forget, #chortle* chortle#
Facts are they? Well show me the evidence or am I spose to believe you like I am a believer of religious indoctrinations provided by scientists. I dont believe you. Not one bit. Evidence not assumptions.
As for Darwin he didnt know what DNA was so of course he didnt know what he was talking about. thats what makes evolution so stupid, Darwin though we were made up of water.
The truth is DNA needs 1, a sender 2, a code and 3, a receiver. If the DNA message is corrupted (imprecise replication of DNA) between the sender and the receiver then the receiver will not understand the code.
Evolution can not explain that simple sender code receiver relationship
Your argument is futile and scientists still cant explain it.