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Originally posted by smithjustinb
Yeah. Speculation of things that are obvious and self evident, like the color blue. It was a while before we proved that blue was blue because it was a particular frequency of light. Before that, we were unable to say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that blue was really blue. But did we need to know that it was a certain frequency of light to know that it was blue? Of course not. Some truths are just self-evident. Science is good at finding things out, but its slow in respect to finding out things that are already common knowledge to those who don't rely on it.
The first single celled organism emerged automatically equipped with the ability to reproduce. Think about that. Propogation was in its DNA. Propogation is found at the root of all of our drives towards anything we call intelligent behavior. This kind of fundamental intelligence principle existed before it was learned by life forms. Therefore, intelligence prededed intelligent forms.
Not saying that and saying something in opposition to that are two different things. Not being discovered and being proven to be false are two different things. You show me where I've been proven wrong and I will gladly change my beliefs. But don't waste your time showing me something that still leaves it up for debate.
Chemistry deals with organizations of base elements. One day, during a probe into an explanation for consciousness, they will discover that it is actually part of everything that exists, and not just specific organizations of elements.
Originally posted by lacrimaererum
I was in a kind of classroom. lot of people. lot of discussion. then i had an assignment. and then I arrived here. i know it sounds daft. but thats what i remember,
Originally posted by rival
Have you ever given any thought to this question?
And I believe it is a good question--because neither theists, nor atheists ever seem to address it.
But stop and think for a moment about from whence you came...
Imagine the cute puppy, or kitten, or baby, and the curious compulsion you have to observe
and be amused by their innocent struggle to come to grips with their surroundings.
Now step back and clear your head...
Doesn't it seem that the cute entity that you are watching is testing out his new digs?
And isn't that what you find to be the most compelling reason to observe? To watch while another life
force is struggling (like you) to understand the parameters of his or her confinement--to watch while they struggle to come to grips with the tiny body they have found themselves in; their surroundings in
this strange environment of air and water and soil....and their limited sense of reality, provided by
their meager sense of touch, taste, smell, hearing, and sight.....?
So what do you think of this life you have acquired...?
And to hell (or heaven) with where you go when you die....Where did you come from?
Were you something before?
Or did you, and your consciousness simply coalesce at this particular time, in this particular place, on
this particular little blue ball...in the middle of nowhere?
edit on 12-6-2012 by rival because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Just about everything we know about the universe says otherwise
And to hell (or heaven) with where you go when you die....Where did you come from? Were you something before?
Originally posted by kat2684
I believe in Heaven between reincarnations. Starting when I was about 4, I would get vivid dreams, and night terrors about things I could not of possibly known at that age. I recieved these dreams until I was about 10, one deam in particular involving a death left me in shock, my parents could not calm me for hours. It could have been just a dream, but it still upsets me today.
Originally posted by MrDesolate
The same place the flame goes when you blow the candle out.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
I'm somewhat curious about that statement?
What percent of all knowledge of the Universe do you suppose we have? Quantify it if you can? 1%, 99%, .00000000000000000000000001%?
Just about everything we know about the universe says otherwise
Do we know anything for a fact, or is it human arrogance that makes us and science think we know even a smidgen of what is there to be learned?
For instance to say their is no God, a person is claiming all knowledge of the Universe are they not? Can that ever be an honest claim? For that reason Atheism is in fact a form of Faith and being an Agnostic if a person does not believe is just being honest?
Originally posted by kat2684
reply to post by GiodanoBruno
I'm sorry did I say, I deny any other theory? I'm going with my gut, because I have had experiences with both. No one really knows what happeneds, you seem to want to bait me into some religious argument. Honestly, is that all you can say? You bring nothing to the table on this topic. OP asked 'Where were you before you were born', so I gave him my thoughts, what are yours?edit on 14-6-2012 by kat2684 because: (no reason given)edit on 14-6-2012 by kat2684 because: (no reason given)edit on 14-6-2012 by kat2684 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kat2684
Here is one example, I remember fish flapping on sand, as the water kept drawing back. It sounds trivial, but its one of many details I remember very vividly, which does happens before a tsunami.
Originally posted by kat2684
reply to post by john_bmth
It wasn't a premonition, I'm not some psychic, jeez people!!!! Way to twist words. It was, what I thought a past life memory. Tsunamis have occured prior to Dec 2005, ya know.
I claimed it was a dream, that led me to a belief in something, I started to check into.You are taking my post and weaving into something totally different. I guess people are not allowed to have dreams, unless they are a jumbled mess? I stated that I believe in reincarnation as a possibility, nothing is absolute. I answered the OP's question, thats it.edit on 15-6-2012 by kat2684 because: (no reason given)edit on 15-6-2012 by kat2684 because: (no reason given)edit on 15-6-2012 by kat2684 because: (no reason given)