Where were you before you were born....?, page 1


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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 04:03 PM by caladonea
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I was in Heaven deciding if I wanted to reincarnate again or not. This time when I pass away...I am going to stay in Heaven.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 04:11 PM by DeReK DaRkLy
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Where did you come from?


Tricky... much like the Buddhist's "What was your original face before you were born?"

Your question presupposes that personal identity precedes and exceeds physical life.
However, I see the personality as nothing more than our "computer desktop".. a unique image on the surface, but behind that we are all pretty much the same computer.

Ego and personality (self) are the result of our being born, not the other way around.

Before we are born, the atomic elements that will eventually comprise us are "out there" in the world. Since our cells are being replaced constantly, we are not the exact person we were even 5 minutes ago.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 04:56 PM by rival
Quite a few replies...thanks

What bothers me the most about this question is this damn consciousness I possess...

And as one poster pointed out, the question does presuppose an existence prior to birth, but
it is not the only platform from which to reply.

We simply could have been somewhere before we came into existence...or it could be that we simply
did not exist until we coalesced into what we are.

But there still remains the riddle of our singular consciousness.

You certainly are YOU. And I am ME. And all of us are uniquely alone in our existence...

And I don't know how to put into words.....this....

I can't actually explain my point of view on it....it is best described with questions.

Why here?
Why now?
Why did I arise a consciousness at all?
And why am I so singular....so alone in my thoughts, and yet so obviously a small portion of the greater
whole we call the universe, and yet so completely apart from it.

I sense (in the same way theists do) that I was "before"...and that I will be "after." You can call that
spirituality if you want, but I call it science based on personal observation. It is poor science, to be
sure, but I'm a little reluctant to kill this body I am inhabiting for the sake of scientific inquiry, and
without some other from of evidence I only have two things to base my hypothesis on...

One, is the first words that it has been said that God spoke.....I AM

And the other is my innate sense of self, alone, individual, and isolated in the midst of the chaos that is
our universe. The idea that I just arose from nothing requires something more than....ahhhh I dunno.

maybe it's the meds lol

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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 08:06 PM by Mickierocksman
I existed for a short time (about 9 months) in my mother’s womb before I was born. No thought or consciousness can I remember during this time.

Before I was conceived there was nothing, I simply just did not exist – it will be the same for all of us after we die.

My first memory or thought as a human being was around 2 years of age, I realised I could think and do things on my own..... therefore I realised I was alive, a being that can do things and learn.

In answer to your questions....

Why here? – This is where I was conceived, a sperm and an egg combined to create my life.
Why now? – This is when my parents had sex and the combination of his sperm and her egg created my life during this time, without them I would not exist at all in any shape, spirit, energy or form.
Why singular? – Everyone on this earth is different, with their own thoughts and emotions. We are part of the universe, not separate from it.

You are an individual of the human species, don’t be worried about that, everyone is.... you’re not alone, just an individual.

The idea that you “arose from nothing” does not require more of an explanation – you did because of your parents, so be thankful that they created you in exactly the way that they did at exactly the time that they did – otherwise you would simply not exist.

My 5 year old boy understands that he could not or would not have existed if he was conceived at any other time, or without his mum or dad. He understands the concept of creating life and that the all life on the planet is different.

Mickierocksman
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