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Falkland Islands to hold referendum on sovereignty

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Question for UK members : are those previously secret 1968 and 1974 Falklands/Malvinas plans known widely?

Or is it only by specialised academic researchers?

I realise the 1974 one kind of broke this year, but the 1968 was broadcast by BBC Two's Leviathan documentary in 1999.




posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Its the Falklands thats what the people who live their and have had 7 generations of their family live there have called it.
Also look on a map it says what the Islands are called...

www.mapsofworld.com...



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
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So Queen Liz runs the whole show eh? lol either see a doctor or provide proof.
Oh and why don't they claim independence? because they want to remain British....durrrr hence the referendum (which we all know what the outcome will be)
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No doctors for me, don't you know that the medical profession is a rackett? No, oh, I guess you''ll want proof huh? Queen Elizabeth doesn't run the show? So what was all of that major display of syncophancy about just recently? AND YOU PAID FOR IT!!! I guess you want proof of that too? Hey boymonkey74, I got an idea, do your own research because I'm not going to do it for you. No offense but it really would be better if you found out these things on your own. PEACE.
edit on 12-6-2012 by HEYJOSE because: FAGEDABOUDDIT!



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Did you not read my link?


And I could provide you with countless links that say that your one link is wrong.

Why is it that you believe the one source that fits in with your pre-conceived ideas and anti-UK belief yet ignore the countless other's that say different?



The Argentinians had settled.


Who are colonists and who ethnically cleansed the area that is now called Argentina.



You 'ethnic cleansed' the islands.


There was no-one there to ethnically cleanse.



And it is not incorrect to use the term England. The cowardly English cannot continue to hide itself under the blanket of the UK. Your Government is a loser. A loser just like the United states Government is a loser. They are losers.


Whether you like it or not the FACT is England is merely a part of the United Kingdom which comprises England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Some of the most famous and staunchest Imperialists came from Scotland - where some of the most pro-Union minded Brits remain.

The rest is opinion - and to be fair I have a pretty low, ok then - very low opinion - of the UK government and it's parliamentary and electoral systems and procedures.



China is the future. Get with the program.


I really don't understand why you seem obsessed with the idea that China will be any more of a benevolent superpower than any other nation / Empire that has gained that status.
You do know how the Chinese view 'Laowai' don't you?



And are you not some kind of 'anarchist'? And you cheer for Imperialism? A patriotic Anarchist?


I believe what I believe - I've lived long enough, and seen, read, heard and experienced enough to know that labelling things / ideas / beliefs is far too restrictive and supresses free thinking.
Ism's of any and every kind are the things that keep mankind in chains.

There is nothing Imperialistic about respecting people's Right To Self-Determination.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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You are the one making really outlandish claims with no proof to back it up so again provide proof please.
Oh and you are right we did pay for the queens jubilee but we made many times that from the tourists coming over for it and all the merchandise the yanks have bought.
It was a good excuse for party and I spent my time with a load of 90 year olds who had a great time.
Oh and the medical profession is a scam? that's why you will not see a doctor? you have just proved my point cheers.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Germanicus
 


Its the Falklands thats what the people who live their and have had 7 generations of their family live there have called it.
Also look on a map it says what the Islands are called...

www.mapsofworld.com...


Las Malvinas.

Google Maps are great arent they? Notice how fast Green Square was changed to Martyrs Square? In a flash. Wiki and Google are awesome for brainwashing capitalist lemmings arent they?

Las Malvinas.

The first buildings in Las Malvinas – or the Falklands as the British call the islands in the South Atlantic – were houses made of stone and were built by Argentinean hands.

theconversation.edu.au...

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Just give up will you they will remain British for many many years, you can bleat all you like but the people who have lived their want to remain with us.
Oh and I will ask the same question as freeborn why are you so pro china? they have a terrible human right's record and Iam not going into Tibet....
Let me guess you lost a girl to a British lad and have hated us ever since.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Question for UK members : are those previously secret 1968 and 1974 Falklands/Malvinas plans known widely?


No it's not commonly known.

I have absolutely no doubt that prior to The Falklands War of 1982 any British government would have sold The Islanders out without a second thought if they viewed it politically expedient.
Thatcher included.

But when Argentina made the mistake of military invasion she had no option but to forcibly remove the invaders, and she exploited the situation fully domestically and used the victory to get re-elected.

Since '82 The Falklands has become entrenched in the UK psyche and it would be political suicide for any party to even suggest compromise on the issue of sovereignty.

If the Islanders choose independance etc, so be it - but their Right To Self-Determination must be respected - and defended.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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There was no-one there to ethnically cleanse.


You can obviously type unless someone is doing it for you. So I am guessing you can read. Please read my link. The argentinians were clearly there in Las Malvinas when the English inveded and did their ethnic cleansing. The first houses were built by Argentinian hands. So.....what the heck do you mean there was "no-one there"?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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By your silly argument the first things in AUS was made by Aborigine hands so should you all move out and leave it to them.
Also just because one link says so doesn't mean its true.(that link is so biased)



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
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I am pleased, to be honest. I have also read this today. What was especially interesting (to me) was that Kirchner will be addressing the UN De-Colonisation conference, she will in turn be addressed by a group of young Falklanders...........me thinks after the rhetoric she is sure to spout she will be left looking rather silly after the youngsters get their chance to speak.

Whatever the Falkland Islanders decide, the world should respect - otherwise the message is we shouldn't respect anyone's wishes.


Somebody out to remind that German sounding woman she is a perfect example of a colonial./ Those Argentinians, at least those in charge are the colonials, Spaniards/Germans etc dominating native Americans everywhere in South America. I remember visiting a plant in Mexico and all the workers looked native, all the management looked like they were from Barcelona _javascript:icon('
') Damned Spaniards have got a nerve down there in the foot of America. Why haven't the natives sent them Europeans home yet like they did in most of Africa?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by HEYJOSE
 


You are the one making really outlandish claims with no proof to back it up so again provide proof please.
Oh and you are right we did pay for the queens jubilee but we made many times that from the tourists coming over for it and all the merchandise the yanks have bought.
It was a good excuse for party and I spent my time with a load of 90 year olds who had a great time.
Oh and the medical profession is a scam? that's why you will not see a doctor? you have just proved my point cheers.

That's me, Mr. Outlandish! Hey how about those Yanks eh, buying up little casts of big ben, no doubt all "made in China", little Union Jacks, ( also made in China). I am so glad to hear that you had a wonderful time with a load of 90 year olds, no offense Bro but I like em a little younger if ya know what I mean..but hey...FAGEDDABOWDITT!! (Quaint, Italian-American colloquialism, kinda like Cheers. it can express a whole plethora of ideas) If I proved your point and made you happy, I am so glad for you. Just remember as Albert Camus says, "the need to be right is the sign of a vulgar mind".



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Germanicus
 


By your silly argument the first things in AUS was made by Aborigine hands so should you all move out and leave it to them.
Also just because one link says so doesn't mean its true.(that link is so biased)


The link is simply communicating the other side of the argument.

I am socialist and anti-imperialism. So as I said,I have a problem with England stealing from the earth when they have no genuine claim. It is not anywhere near them.

Australis is a great example of people from all over the world, coming together as free people and living in realitive peace. Liberalism encourages a minority of the Aboriginal community to seek some form of complete ownership but it is no serious issue. Political bs is distraction is all. And the Australian Government has agreed to the Aboriginal leaders taking ownership of a massive lists of lands and scred sites. Up until the 80's, Australia was relatively independant and bodering on socialist. We were bordering on socialist before WW2. The American Imperialism has americanized our society, just like it has done to so many other nations. The Las Malvinas debate highlights the problems with American style Imperialism.
So if anyone gets the oil,I prefer it to be the people of Las Malvinas,all 3000 of them. Not England/American Empire. If the people of Las Malvinas cannot hace complete and total control of the Oil then I prefer that Argentina gets it because Argentina hates American Capitalist Imperialism. Argentina is an important player in Chinas long long list of friends that are enemies of American Capitalist Imperialism.

The issue is moot, and insignificant. England are scrambling. China and friends are just messing with them. Its funny. China has the power now. The Reserve Currency will switch, one way or another. China will be sole superpower. Britan will have no claim under a Chinese style Empire. It will all get worked out when the Reserve Currency changes hands.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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And still you provide no proof to what you have said.
I look after old people that's why I ran a party for them.
Oh and this is happy
this
means Iam laughing at you



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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Hold on one minute you hate empires etc then are bleating how great the Chinese empire will be........I have had enough here we are just going around in circles and we will not change each others minds so we are wasting our time

(Although we disagree on this subject I do follow your other posts and mostly agree with you)
Cya later dude

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Germanicus
 


Hold on one minute you hate empires etc then are bleating how great the Chinese empire will be........I have had enough here.
(Although we disagree on this subject I do follow your other posts and mostly agree with you)
Cya later dude

Capitalism was the key world in case you missed it.

American Style Imperial Capitalism is doomed.

The Las Malvinas issue highlights the Capitalist Imperial Empires loss of power and respect . The BRICS and friends do not fear the United States and associates now. Things have changed.

Did you know they have Nationalized Oil in Argentina? They do.

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Another Kangaroo Stacked bamboozle....sounds like, ...let's see, take over a country and run off the inhabitants and then just vote on rather or not you on it or not, when you have all the votes...or majority....like going to a duel when you know the opponent has a gun and all you got is a slingshot



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Falklanders will be richest people in the world. There's a minimum 6 billion bbls and maximum 55 billion bbls.

If profit is shared 50/50 by the people /oil companies then falklanders will BE FILTHY RICH.

6BILLION *100 $/PER BBL=600 BILLION DOLLARS ,300 BILLION TO OIL COMPANIES 300 BILLION TO FALKLANDER PEOPLE. EACH CITIZEN GETS 100 MILLION $. AND IF 50 BILLION BARRELS THEN EACH CITIZEN GETS 900 MILLION+ $ .

FALKLANDERS WILL BE FILTHY RICH.IF FALKLANDS DUMPS THE MONARCHY THUGS THEN I WANNA BE A FALKLAND CITIZEN TOO.

GO FALKLANDS GO !!! BE FREE!!



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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It was hardly 'ethnic cleansing' - the journalist who wrote the piece was partaking in a bit of literary exaggeration in an effort to sensationalise and influence - it seems to have worked with some.

The truth is that the newly formed Argentinian government founded a penal colony on the islands which had been temporarily abandoned due to a raid on a British settlement carried out by the US warship USS Lexington.
The governor was killed in a mutiny after four days and the penal colony, not a settlement at all, struggled on for two months until the British returned and asked the Argentinians to withdraw from the islands which they reluctantly did so - no-one was killed or harmed.

The British settlement continued to thrive with predominantly Scottish and Welsh settlers who were completely ignored by the Argentinian goverment and people for well over 100 years.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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if the falklanders are smart they will vote freedom!!! They will be filthy rich!!! but if they stick with the monarchy thugs then they will be poor and have to bear austerity.







 
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