Falkland Islands to hold referendum on sovereignty

reply to post by KnawLick


Food sucked?!

They have some of the best steaks in the world.

Let's not make this an issue about Argentinian people, I am sure they are like every other people in the world, some good, some bad, some average.

reply to post by Germanicus


How can we steal it from the indiginous people if there were no indiginous people there when we discovered it? no one lived there....

People are continually neglecting the most important thing when discussing this and bringing up all the rubbish about "who was there first".

Who is there NOW?

No one group of people can claim ownership of any land. The Earth does not belong to Humans! We do not have an immediate right to claim ownership over any piece of land, and no one is "better" or "more entitled" to a piece of land than those who currently live upon it!

The people on that island, the ones who fish in its waters, grow crops on the land and build homes there are the only ones who can claim ownership for the entirety of their existence.

I support the current people occupying a land over and above any random nation that claims it as their own simply because they got there first or they are the closest to it.

I honestly couldn't care less whether the Falklands ends up under Argentine rule or not, as long as the PEOPLE LIVING THERE are the ones to make that choice themselves.

Independence to Falklands from the corrupt British monarchy empire!!!

reply to post by mkgandhas




Not that rubbish again..........

Non constitutional monarchy - suggest you look up the meaning.

reply to post by Flavian


sure yet the queen gets to party while the peasants suffer austerity.Your constitution has been dumped into the hole by the rothschilds and monarchy.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Exactly. If the UN were to oppose the Islanders in this it sends the message that we can have whatever land we fancy if we make a continued claim.

Lets say the UN do side with Argentina, does this then mean we can claim back Brittany and Aquitane from France? What with our long standing historical ties / ownership of those lands...............

reply to post by mkgandhas


Everyone got to party if they so wished, not just the Queen. 17 parties round my way over the 4 days (within a 5 minute walk from my house).

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Who did we steal it off? the Argies? heck they didn't even exist when we found it and started living there.

You stole it from the indiginous people. It was only a very small group. But still. Kinda like Australia and new Zealand and places like that. Pacific islands..... The English would sail around and if there was no commerce happening,they would consider it unclaimed land and make it a colony. English Imperialism.

Now England is part of the American Empire. American Imperialism is at play. Argentina are on the outer of the Empire. England is part of the inner circle. I have a problem with England thinking they can suck oil from a part of the world that is not anywhere near them.

If the English Government does not want the oil and will allow the tiny population of the Islands get the entire profits from the oil, which will make them the wealthiest of people per capita I would say, then fine. But we all know England wants to suck resources. Suck profits.

Who cares about the Imperial foothold? China knows it is there. WW3 will be a different style of war. The military foothold will not matter,and China will win. After that,England will not waste money sending its military to holiday there.

You're obviously making things up

They stole it of no one, they was remote islands in capable of supporting any inhabitants only the penguins lived there, native SA sealer's & whalers had an outpost there but they did not inhabit the islands and they was long gone before the French and British settled, archaeological digs suggest they left many hundreds of years before the French & British settled,

Not sure what China has to do with all this

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Who did we steal it off?

There was no-one living there...it was uninhabited.

And Argentina didn't even exist....and when it did they were far too busy killing the native people of the mainland to even bother themselves with a barren piece of rock that only Brits were really interested in living on.

Argentina didn't give a toss about the place until rumours of oil began to circulate.

Yes. The Argentinians are Indiginous. They were the first to settle there.

In 1833 the British colonial power invaded Las Mavinas, and what happen afterwards is now called “ethnic cleansing” – hundreds of English settlers were artificially introduced while all Argentineans were expelled.

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reply to post by Flavian


so do you party with taxpayer money ? the queen does.

reply to post by Flavian

I am pleased, to be honest. I have also read this today. What was especially interesting (to me) was that Kirchner will be addressing the UN De-Colonisation conference, she will in turn be addressed by a group of young Falklanders...........me thinks after the rhetoric she is sure to spout she will be left looking rather silly after the youngsters get their chance to speak.

Some more on this young Falklander trip to the UN.

A group of young Falkland Islanders hope to present Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner with a firm message at the UN in New York that they want to remain British subjects and continue their current way of life.

James Marsh, 31, a delegate who works for the Falklands government, said: "We are sixth and seventh generation Falkland Islanders, our families forged a life in the Falklands when times were much less easy than they are now. "It is an insult to those people that their endeavours, the 150 years we have been in the Falklands, are not recognised by the Argentine politicians." He added: "I think the most important thing we can tell them is we are a vibrant, young, self-sufficient community who just want to be left in peace to forge our own future."

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reply to post by TritonTaranis

You're obviously making things up

You are obviously ignorant. Like above,yes,the British stole it. And they also did some ethnic cleansing.

In 1833 the British colonial power invaded Las Mavinas, and what happen afterwards is now called “ethnic cleansing” – hundreds of English settlers were artificially introduced while all Argentineans were expelled.

theconversation.edu.au...

reply to post by uesvaje


FYI, this 1999 BBC report about full UK transfer to Argentina of Falklands/Malvinas isn't the only one.

I spotted another BBC article about another plan some years later : instead of a transfer, share.

Was dated more recent than 2010.

UK and Argentina were to seal a deal to make it a bilingual, English and Spanish speaking islands. Shared.

No longer in my browser history, but I'll hunt it from what words i remember written by BBC quoting further released secret records.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Flavian

 

sure yet the queen gets to party while the peasants suffer austerity.Your constitution has been dumped into the hole by the rothschilds and monarchy.

Not sure if you see the party but it was obviously for the public,

The Queen has no power what so ever and has not had any for many years, she is mearly a tourist attraction and that is the only reason there is still a monarchy today,

I think maybe you are living in the past and its time for you to get with the new, no present queen is responsible for the days of old and neither is and British person, its people like you who are the problem in this world today, hatred for people you do not no and judge purely on what happened 200-300yrs ago, kinda ridiculous with people like you in this world we are destined to go in circles, its people like you who would murder every Falkland islander because of something they also have nothing to do with, and its this sort of stupidity in the world today from people with chips on the shoulders that makes me absolutely sick

Go see a doctor

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Flavian

 

sure yet the queen gets to party while the peasants suffer austerity.Your constitution has been dumped into the hole by the rothschilds and monarchy.

Not sure if you see the party but it was obviously for the public,

The Queen has no power what so ever and has not had any for many years, she is mearly a tourist attraction and that is the only reason there is still a monarchy today,

I think maybe you are living in the past and its time for you to get with the new, no present queen is responsible for the days of old and neither is and British person, its people like you who are the problem in this world today, hatred for people you do not no and judge purely on what happened 200-300yrs ago, kinda ridiculous with people like you in this world we are destined to go in circles, its people like you who would murder every Falkland islander because of something they also have nothing to do with, and its this sort of stupidity in the world today from people with chips on the shoulders that makes me absolutely sick

Go see a doctor

reply to post by Peruvianmonk


I didn't say anything about the Argentinian people. Merely pointed out that there country is basically 3rd world. And the British have zero to worry about.

If the Argentinians were to try invade the Faklands they'd be using the same equipment they did 30 years ago! Good luck.

reply to post by Germanicus


So by your reckoning the US should give back the whole of the US back to the natives? the Australians should give the whole of the Australia back to the Aborigines?.
Like someone said before it's about who lives there now, many generations of people who want to remain under British sovereignty live on the Falklands so you can bleet all you want about us nasty Brits and we will keep our Island which are called the Falklands.

reply to post by KnawLick


It is not a third world country, it is a developing country with some parts quite well developed parts. Whether the UK has anything to worry about militarily is irrelevant.

Diplomacy is the key here, we don't want to alienate an entire continent which is on the rise trade wise, though high handed arrogant behavior. We should not rise to the bait set by the nationalist rhetoric from Kirchner.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Germanicus

 

So by your reckoning the US should give back the whole of the US back to the natives? the Australians should give the whole of the Australia back to the Aborigines?.
Like someone said before it's about who lives there now, many generations of people who want to remain under British sovereignty live on the Falklands so you can bleet all you want about us nasty Brits and we will keep our Island which are called the Falklands.

I agree. It is about who lives there now. So give them the oil. They can go socialist and all build mansions. They will be the most wealthy 3000 people in the world.