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Church of England warning on gay marriage

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Wow so your all for straight camps.....disgusting... do you really believe that gay people have a demon spirit in them?
There is nothing wrong with being gay!!! they don't need to to be cured nor cleansed it is natural and has been around for years.
You come and post here without answering my questions so answer my last one please here it is again.


Do you follow everything in the bible? or do you pick and choose which verse to follow?
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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If you've ever taken debate you'd know that it's never a good idea to address someone's ad hominem attacks. You just ignore them. They are made to deflect attention away from the point. We can talk about anything, but if youwant to be acknowledged do not attack me personally, or save that for someone who doeant know what you are attempting to do with ad hominem or poisoning the well fallacies.

Homosexuality is a judgment of God against a culture that denies Him as the Creator. He gives them over to it, or in other words removes His protection from the spirit. But you need to stop seeing homosexuality as some super evil sin, it's no different than any other sin. Sin is sin and Christ died for all sinners. The homosexual is just as guilty before God as the man who lies or steals. It's sin, it's not any different than the sins I am guilty of.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Once again I ask you a question and you do not answer it why? because it just proves my point that you pick and choose what to believe in the bible and for some reason you have picked to believe that being gay is wrong even though many things in the bible by todays standards are wrong. So I can only think that you picked the gay thing because you was taught to dislike gay people and you are a homophobe.
This isn't a personal attack you have made your view on gay people known and that is why you are a homophobe and I don't like people who are like that so consider yourself ignored.
I hope one day one of your kids/grandkids turns around to you and says "Dad/Grandad Iam gay" and then you will feel great shame on how you have thought up till then...
Oh I forgot you will just send them to straight camp....

Being Gay is NOT a sin, it is natural, you can not help being gay and those poor souls who you say went to straight camp gay and came out "cleansed" and straight are STILL GAY, they just now lead a life what is a lie.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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I already told you. If you're going to personally attack me (homophobe) then I will ignore those attacks and attempts to get me focused on them. I just told you that like 3 times now. Ad hominem arguments should always be ignored, this is elementary. Attack all you want, I will not dignify your posts if you do so. As to other laws I've already commented on them. The moral law was never fulfilled like the ceremonial law was. So why are you still askimg me about why one is still followed and why on one is not? This thread is about homosexuality, I have not picked it, and secondly I've stated several times now that it's not any more a sin than any other one. You keep making it a super-sin.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Your like "hey don't blame me it's God who says it" pffft grow a spine and let your soul be free and think for itself for a change.
Or at least admit what you are.
I suggest you read some things from here.

www.gaychristian.net...
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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This is fantastic! I am not from England so don't have the right to judge what the CoE does, but in America, marriage is not about religion and about government/legal rights.

I lost my husband in the 9/11 terrorist attacks and was witness to same sex partners who had no rights to their loved one's benefits, info and choices in those terrible months following when decisions were being made as to how to handle such matters. This educated me more than any group's efforts to influence my opinion on same sex relationships. Watching life long partners have no say or left out important discussions regarding serious issues while mourning in the public eye...it was hard seeing some of the things I saw.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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The sabbath is from sunset friday to sunset saturday,sunday
is the first day of the week.If Yeshua/Jesus changed the sabbath
from saturday to sunday,I want scriptures from the Holy Bible to
prove when and where He did.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Perhaps the Church does not want to be forced into doing something morally repugnant to them.

The Church is not trying to stop all gay marriage, just gay marriage happening under its roofs, by its ministers and against its principles.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by ravon300
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You know there are less and lesser people getting married these days . you would think the church would be WAY past all this s**t and do whats right...church of england doing the
work


But they ARE doing what's right. By their definition, homosexuality is wrong.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
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No just force them to accept gay people just like how so called Christians should be doing...
This isn't a subject of Islam read the title it's to do with the CoE, If the CoE started getting in with the times instead of being behind them maybe they will start to do well and the other backward thinking religions may follow suit.


The Church of England has a moral code which is immutable and timeless.

To the best of my knowledge, the Christian God has never revoked a single law or commandment.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
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Oh and the message is Love each other....


No, the message is Love God first (which is shown by adherence to His commandments) and then love others as you love yourself.

You truncated the message significantly.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


No you choose to believe that passage in the bible and I assume you do not believe that anyone working on a sunday should be killed so I can only assume you pick your beliefs from the bible to suit who you are and anyone who believes that being Gay is an "abomination" because it says so in the bible is just a homophobe.
Or tell me why do you pick one thing out of the bible and believe/agree with it and not another part?
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The particular rule you quote about Sabbath keeping is not applicable to everyone. If you read the next verse after Exodus 31:15, you will see that this is specifically for Israel.

Most Christian denominations do not observe the Sabbath (which actually translates to Saturday in our calendar). Peter was specifically given a vision that Christianity was not to observe kosher laws, feasts and days & requirement of circumcision.

There is no issue with "picking and choosing" what laws we follow. The Bible is clear in that regard.


edit on 12/6/2012 by chr0naut because: I mis-attributed the vision to Paul but it was Peter's vision. Fixed now.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


Wow so your all for straight camps.....disgusting... do you really believe that gay people have a demon spirit in them?
There is nothing wrong with being gay!!! they don't need to to be cured nor cleansed it is natural and has been around for years.
You come and post here without answering my questions so answer my last one please here it is again.


Do you follow everything in the bible? or do you pick and choose which verse to follow?
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Face it, God hates homos (but He quite likes tabbouleh).




posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by chr0naut
Paul was specifically given a vision that Christianity was not to observe kosher laws, feasts and days & requirement of circumcision.


Paul was given a vision according to who?

Joseph Smith was given a vision too. Let's hear what all the Christians have to say about JS given a vision.

Yes - let's hear how credible visions are - - when they're not YOUR guy.



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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by chr0naut
Paul was specifically given a vision that Christianity was not to observe kosher laws, feasts and days & requirement of circumcision.


Paul was given a vision according to who?

Joseph Smith was given a vision too. Let's hear what all the Christians have to say about JS given a vision.

Yes - let's hear how credible visions are - - when they're not YOUR guy.



edit on 12-6-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)


I am aware of the anti-Pauline leanings of many on ATS. Sorry, I got the wrong guy. It was Peter's vision. I have edited my post accordingly. This was recorded by Doctor Luke, a respected Greek Christian, contemporary with Peter. It was written about in the book of The Acts of the Apostles (which was actually a letter to Theophilus), which is considered canonical.

Joseph Smith was not one of the "chosen 12" that lived with Christ for more than two years. It puts him in a slightly different category.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


Your like "hey don't blame me it's God who says it" pffft grow a spine and let your soul be free and think for itself for a change.
Or at least admit what you are.
I suggest you read some things from here.

www.gaychristian.net...
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Being against gay sex doesnt mean I have an irrational fear of homosexual folks. That's just a personal attack, nothing more. I have gay friends who know I am against their choice of a bed mate. I also know they are against my faith. Point being, our friendships aren't based on religion or sex so we're fine. They know I wont change my mind, and i know they wont change their mind. Now, i should not be forced by law to participate in their lifestyle choice anymore than they should be forced by law to participate in my faith if they are against it. And your argument doesnt make sense, there are lots of things I dont do or agree with in the Bible, but I go along with them because it's what it says. It's God's rules and desires, not my own.


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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Now, i should not be forced by law to participate in their lifestyle choice



The Gay Life Style



There is no such thing as "The Gay Life Style."

In fact, there are many different gay life styles, just as there are many different life styles in the straight community. Most of the things gay people do on a daily basis are not particularly exciting. A lot of what gay people do is not really gay. Going to work, preparing supper, cleaning the house, and mowing the lawn are not activities unique to the gay community.

www.createdgay.com...



A Week in the Life of a Single Gay Man


Monday
6:15 am Alarm went off. Showered, ate breakfast.
7:00 am Answerered some email and left for work.
8:00 am Arrived at work. Worked late to finish an important project.
6:00 pm Left work for home.
7:00 pm Did laundry.
8:00 pm Ate supper.
9:00 pm Watched TV and chatted with a couple of friends on the internet.
10:00 pm Read for an hour.
11:00 pm Went to bed.

Tuesday

6:15 am Alarm went off. Showered, ate breakfast.
7:00 am Answerered some email and left for work.
8:00 am Arrived at work. Worked late again.
7:00 pm Left work for home.
7:30 pm Ate supper.
8:00 pm Relaxed and watched TV.
10:00 pm Checked email and looked for Christmas gifts for family members on the internet.
11:00 pm Went to bed.

www.createdgay.com...


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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I have gay friends who know I am against their choice of a bed mate. I also know they are against my faith. Point being, our friendships aren't based on religion or sex so we're fine.


"I have gay friends - but . . . "

"I still believe its a choice."

I'm not buying it for a second. First off you don't say "I have gay friends" - - - you say "I have FRIENDS" - - "that are gay" (if for some reason it matters)

You may hang in a group that includes some gays - - - but personal friends? I don't believe that.




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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
www.bbc.co.uk...


The Church of England has warned that proposals to legalise gay marriage could undermine its status.


This sums it up perfectly

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I have gay friends who know I am against their choice of a bed mate. I also know they are against my faith. Point being, our friendships aren't based on religion or sex so we're fine.


"I have gay friends - but . . . "

"I still believe its a choice."

I'm not buying it for a second. First off you don't say "I have gay friends" - - - you say "I have FRIENDS" - - "that are gay" (if for some reason it matters)

You may hang in a group that includes some gays - - - but personal friends? I don't believe that.




edit on 12-6-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)


I'm a chef. Half the male servers on the planet are gay. It is possible to be friends with peiple and not agree with everything they think or say or do. Besides that point, whether you believe me or not is insignificant, im not on trial, and you aren't a jury of my peers. Neither does your unbelief change my friends. When you're a chef you hang out with kitchen folk, it's just the life.



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