This is the future!! Air superiority Drones, page 1


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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 12:52 AM by Wertdagf
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL



Well... your right...

In the end the only way to prevent you drones from being hijacked is to give them semi sentience to prevent alteration of their mission parameters.

This slow progression into the advancement of AI to prevent system hacking.

The true end game is an Artificial intelligence capable of hijacking other systems with its superior intelligence. Thus war ends and the true fruit of humanity is borne ....synthetic beings.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 12:56 AM by Wertdagf
reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe



If you havent already... Find and read the book "Enders Game"

Its exactly what you are speaking of.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 12:58 AM by Kangaruex4Ewe
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to
post by Kangaruex4Ewe



If you havent already... Find and read the book "Enders Game"

Its exactly what you are speaking of.


Absolutely will do that. I am always looking for new, interesting things to read. Thanks!


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 01:10 AM by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by hoochymama



Even the players will be eliminated at some point because the computer will be able to best shoot the targets (eg aimbot cheating for instance). The computer will be able to compensate for lag, different characteristics, wind velocity, target velocity, etc. All much better than a human being. The computer will pick the targets and best possible destruction solutions. The human brain is very limited even in this scenario in the future.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 01:14 AM by BIHOTZ
reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe



Your post reminds me of that movie with Robin Williams.
I hated that movie....Toys....It was awful.

It sucked on so many levels.


I do think video games have become a sort of "training" for hand eye coordination.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 02:44 AM by spirit_horse
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL



Wow, sounds like the machines in the Terminator flicks. You are right that computers will soon eliminate the need for controllers. They will probably just supervise the systems and let the machines do all the work.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 09:53 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
It has been in conceptual & practical development for years already -

BAE Taranis - to have air self-defence capability

MASTACS equipped target drone outflies 2 Phantoms in 1970

From the USAF's 30 year plan:

In the far term, the Air Force will retire its fourth-generation fighter/attack fleet. In evaluating
replacement options, it will consider both manned and unmanned options.


also I recall from the 90's somethign about networked groups of 4-6 drones all "controlled" from a single manned a/c - that concept is probably obsolete now though & I can't seem to find anything about it on the 'net.



reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 10:44 PM by Zaphod58
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul



Right now, the only carrier aircraft that could control that many are large aircraft. A fighter pilot would be quickly overwhelmed trying to keep himself alive and control the drones. The USAF all the way back in Vietnam had DC-130s that carried drones that followed preprogrammed routes, and parachuted into the ocean to be recovered.

There are currently no carrier aircraft in the inventory, as the drones all take off and land like conventional aircraft. Your most likely choice for a controller aircraft is either an E-8, E-3, or even an EC-130. I would say the E-3 though, as it has the radar that could keep track of what's going on around the drone and supplement its sensors somewhat.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 10:55 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by Zaphod58



As I recall it it was not a "carrier" aircraft - the drones weer supposed to haev a high degree of netweorking - the controlling aircraft might simply designate a target and the drones would then engage in configurations based up on their own data.

The drones themselves might have taken off from anywhere & flown to the target area automatically, and then been asigned to a controller by a battlefield management system - and then handed off to anotherone if required at any point.

But as I say it was a while ago, and it was probably just conceptual or something like that.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 10:57 PM by Zaphod58
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul



Yeah, I know the project you're talking about. They wanted F-22s and F-35s to be able to control them. As I said in the second part of my post, their best bet is an E-3 to control them. Fighters are the worst platform to try to do that with. A fighter pilot has enough going on without worrying about where his drones are, and what they should be attacking.


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 12:37 AM by OccamsRazor04
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to
post by Kangaruex4Ewe



If you havent already... Find and read the book "Enders Game"

Its exactly what you are speaking of.


Awesome book. Kind of sucks you ruined it for him by saying that though.


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 03:12 AM by Wertdagf
reply to post by OccamsRazor04



Well that was kind of inevitible given the subject matter.

Depending upon how smart you think the OP is.


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 03:25 AM by waynos
Originally posted by Zaphod58
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post by Aloysius the Gaul



Yeah, I know the project you're talking about. They wanted F-22s and F-35s to be able to control them. As I said in the second part of my post, their best bet is an E-3 to control them. Fighters are the worst platform to try to do that with. A fighter pilot has enough going on without worrying about where his drones are, and what they should be attacking.


That was also how one idea for the UK FOAS programme was supposed to work out, "a number" (unspecified) of Taranis type UCAV's operating with a 2 seater Typhoon. This is the training model but, in this instance, it was configured as a fully capable air superiority fighter ( as indeed the trainer is anyway) but with the back seater being the "commander" for the rest of the formation. All info on this seems to have disappeared but I wrote on this on ATS back in the day. As a trial towards this a BAC One Eleven of QinetiQ successfully controlled an RAF Tornado, but this was back in 2004/5 as I recall. Again no subsequent info about extended trials with multiple aircraft seems to have been published, whether this has gone secret or is not happening is only something I can speculate about.
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