I joined the Communist Party

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by interupt42


he doesn't just have an idea he actively joined a party that believes in taking away my freedoms. I wasn't attacking him I asked a valid question. Why try to convert a country that its MAJORITY is against such ideas versus simply moving to a country that embraces his ideas? Why is that so bad to ask ?

I don't know, why do Christians go out and convert people? You are just trying to excuse your rude behavior. Freedom entails the right of people to organize for the cause of their choice. It's pretty obvious you just see this guy as the enemy without even having a grasp on what he believes. Then again, if he's the minority you don't have to worry about him do you?

edit on 12-6-2012 by antonia because: opps

Funny, that you are the one calling me rude and the only thing I did was ask a valid question? Sorry you don't like the question but it is certainly valid? If you truly believe that there is a better way of living and that you can move to a country that shares your believe system, why wouldn't you move there?

I don't see him as an enemy as you apparently see me by your responses. I see him as someone who maybe hasn't truly thought this out in its entirety.

Originally posted by antonia
I don't know, why do Christians go out and convert people?

I would ask why is there God the right one?

Originally posted by ANOK
Far more people have been killed, and are still being killed, directly because of capitalism, than any so called 'left-wing regime'.

They just have lots of excuses, and the government to take the blame.

Now that is pushing it a little. The terminology is such that you can only really use the last century and a bit as examples but what about Russia, China and Cambodia as three really easy examples. By proportion, the 'left wing regime' in those countries slaughtered and starved a huge percentage of its population. You may try to twist how you would label the governing party/regime, but to say it was not one that would be considered left wing in its true sense would be naive.

Originally posted by brukernavn

Originally posted by ANOK
Far more people have been killed, and are still being killed, directly because of capitalism, than any so called 'left-wing regime'.

They just have lots of excuses, and the government to take the blame.

Let's see... even naziism is right-wing, correct?

Good luck getting a capitalist to admit that. Ford, Rockefeller, IBM, and many other profited from eugenics and far right-wing nazi ideology. Hitler mentioned Ford in Mein Kampf, and nazis even trained in the US for what they did... But, that's another story...

edit on 6/12/2012 by brukernavn because: major grammatical error

Is that nazism as in the National Socialist Party (that's where the term Nazi comes from)? While I wouldn't call nazism straightout communism, the ideals it sold to the German people were based on a socialist ideal. If captalists in America sought to profit from them, that's a different thing isn't it?

Originally posted by interupt42


Funny, that you are the one calling me rude and the only thing I did was ask a valid question? Sorry you don't like the question but it is certainly valid? If you truly believe that there is a better way of living and that you can move to a country that shares your believe system, why wouldn't you move there?

Because there is no Communist country on the planet. Keep trying, but all you prove is that you have no understanding of what Communism is. I can't fault you as the American education system is pathetic and doesn't teach anything about political systems. However, this is what you said:

Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by brukernavn

 

Why only join when you can go and live in a communist country? Cuba has awesome beaches and resorts and I'm sure the local communist citizens have full access to those facilities?

BTW I don't recall about hearing of any Americans drifting ashore in Cuba to better their lives. You could be the first

I can only imagine the look of confusion on the Coast Guards face if they were to pick you up.

Even funnier the look of confusion on the Cubans face if you actually made it

. Although, I would imagine that they would appreciate your raft which would quickly find its way back to the US.

edit on 11-6-2012 by interupt42 because: (no reason given)

The funniest part of this is he doesn't live in the U.S. so he's not trying to take anything away from you. It's obvious you are using the "love it or leave it" argument.

I was going to sit this thread out, just read and not say anything. You see, I lost several friends and a fiancee to communism, too. The communists killed them. In some cases it ws reasonable - they were at war, and killing communists. In other cases, not so much. The girl, for example, was one of the bystanders just caught in the storm. I spent a long time after that going here and there and returning the favor.

That was a long time ago, though, and we're talking about the now.

The things that actually prompted me to reply are as follows:

Originally posted by brukernavn
In a true communist society, you only get what you put in. If you CHOOSE to not work, you get NOTHING.

If that's the case, why "put in" at all? Why not eliminate the government control of your production and just do as you will with the fruits of your own efforts?

My favourite source of info is Johnny Cash. He grew up under communism in Dyess Arkansas. Read up on how he grew up and the way that they shared in their labor. The most successful places in America are that way because they practiced communism.

SAY WHAT?

I didn't know Johnny very well, but I know his wife June's family. They still live in Hiltons, Virginia, near where I was raised and hold "singin's" every weekend in a barn on the home place called "The Carter Fold". As I recall, that was the last place Johnny sang in public before he died. I'd dearly love to know how a foreigner sees our way of living as "communism". A lot of those "good ol' boys" up in them thar hills woulds have no problem dealing fairly roughly with any such suggestion.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by hawkiye

Why don't you back that tripe up with some hard evidence?

Really lol? How about the war we've been in for how many years now? Do you really think it's to save us from the new boogie-man?

Well um Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler come mind here oh how about Mao, Polpot, Edi Amen, Saddam, etc etc. you Might want to rethink this

Oh jeez Hitler was not left-wing, he was a right-wing fascist. Saddam lol? Mao killed no one intentionally, the numbers were exaggerated, those that did die was from famine that started before Mao was in power, which he had no control over.

You mean Idi Amen? He was a military dictator, not left-wing lol. Next... Pol Pot?? Another dictator, not left-wing by any stretch of the true traditional meaning.

As I have tried to explain to you the definition of a term is not based on what people do. If I called myself a christian, but openly worshiped the she-devil, would that mean christianity is she-devil worship? Again bad logic.

Since WWII left wing terms have been used politically in ways that do not reflect their true definitions, and the true goals of socialists. Socialism of the people, not of authority and power seekers.

I am debating worker ownership, you are debating kings and queens.

edit on 6/12/2012 by ANOK because: (no reason given)

You really are now talking absolute trash. What on Earth do you mean Mao killed no one intentionally and where do you get the idea the numbers were exaggerated?

Pol Pot? You do mean the same Pol Pot who led the Khmer Rouge (hint - red army)? You are now simply redefining politics to suit your agenda - not big, not clever.

reply to post by brukernavn


What's so great about the commies. No one loved killing commies more than Stallin himself

Originally posted by brukernavn
Recently, I formally joined the Communist Party. I have lost long time friends, certain family has disowned me, even my fiancé has left me because of it. Are there any other members of this forum out there that have joined the Communist Party whom have lost their friends and family? I am interested to see how people react to such a thing. In the West, people have learnt to hate communism and instantly abandon anybody with communist leanings. I will admit, I could be wrong for my beliefs, but has anybody else out there been ostracized for believing that communism is the answer?

MVH,
Josef

Do you even know the true origins of the Communist Party?(and i dont mean the Wiki version) You sound like you dont .

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by Wolf321

 

I agree with you. It can only happen on a small scale. In smaller populated countries, such as my Norway.

With Lysbakken as der fuhrer?

Belive me, even in Norway the result would be civil war if you tried to introduce kommunism.

Because the only way to make that happen include heavy artillery and explosives.

reply to post by antonia


I bet you love to label the US as a capitalist country though.

The reason there is no communist country is the same reason there aren't any capitalist country in the world. Corruption!!! Except with the so called capitalist countries that exist, you have a significant amount of freedom over any of the existing communist flavored countries.

So let me ask you and the OP what is it that you like about communism? Or are you going to get upset about that question as well?

Communism and socialism are great in theory but not in practice because humans are involved. Gov't forms group of people that regulate our lives which gives them power. With power comes corruption. Hence I believe less gov't is better for everyone (I didn't say no gov't).

However, people like yourself I'm sure have less faith on the good will of the people but more faith on Gov't officials to do the right thing.

Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by antonia

 

I bet you love to label the US as a capitalist country though.

I'd call it corporatism.

So let me ask you and the OP what is it that you like about communism? Or are you going to get upset about that question as well?

I didn't say I was a communist., I'm not. I find the topic interesting but I don't ascribe to it. I merely addressed the irony of you screeching about freedom while engaging in a behavior that is antithetical to what you proclaim to believe.

Communism and socialism are great in theory but not in practice because humans are involved. Gov't forms group of people that regulate our lives which gives them power. With power comes corruption. Hence I believe less gov't is better for everyone (I didn't say no gov't).

Communism and socialism are economic systems and have nothing to do with government.

However, people like yourself I'm sure have less faith on the good will of the people but more faith on Gov't officials to do the right thing.

Well, you are correct in that I have no faith in the good will of people, but your next assumption is illogical. Government is made up of people, therefore it would be illogical to have faith in it if you can't have faith in the goodness of it's individual members.

Why so you keep calling Americans, Amerikans???
As far as your desire to be a communist......whatever, you have your own beliefs, I am not surprised by why your friends and family think badly of your choices right now.

There's no denying that on paper communism is an ideal sort of society, original ideas are based on erasing class issues and enabling everyone to be equal.

Capitalism aims to give every one the *opportunity* to be equal, with free markets etc.

You can't deny that capitalism is the main cause for class differences in the world today.

They've both been distorted far from their original purposes, because each of these views rely on a fair democratic system, something lacking on *both* sides, as the saying goes:

Revolutions are thought of by idealists, carried out by fanatics, and highjacked by b*stards.

Each could possibly be very successful givin the correct mind set, and each of us should be free to choose which society we would like.

Ill always resent the west for trying to stomp out communism, that makes them world dictators also, mind you, all the world leaders are full of hypocrosy...

Stop out the corruption! Well done for speaking up OP!

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Ridiculous. I saw a thread on a forum saying that Nietzsche was a freemason..and that his 'superman' was in fact satan, that he was lying and that "jesus christ is real". I doubt that he has read Nietzsche's work..and if he did, he is as far from its true meaning as possible. He based his theory on randomly chosen quotes by Nietzsche and his biography..Sad.
I hope that you have strong evidence to back up that claim.

reply to post by Wolf321

I think the irony of your situation is amusing. Here you go and officially join a political group that espouses the desire and superiority of a communal system, all to have your community shun you.

Hahahaha... that is highly amusing now that I think about it.

OP, I don't particular see what is really wrong with communism, some people like to live a 'communal' type of society where everyone can share what they have. The problem is that psychopathic dictators have mostly controlled the communist nations which have existed, and they have attached an unfair stigma to communism. In reality capitalism has a heck of a lot of problems too. Both systems are far from perfect. Things aren't black and white I'm afraid.

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by eLPresidente

 

No, I am not pro-american. Why would you ever think so? By the way, GO RON PAUL!!! I am not Amerikkkan, but I love him.

so you are a voluntary communist? i can respect that....just leave my freedom alone.

edit on 12-6-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)

Amerikkkans never had freedom in the first place, just a well organised propaganda department to give the illusion.

Smooth move EX-LAX! No, really stand for something or fall for anything right? You have chosen an ideology particularly abhorrent to Americans. Are you sure you are not just looking for shock value?

Communism is fine in theory, but in reality history shows all communist countries to be tyrannical, just look at modern day China if you have any doubt.

Direct democracy was very much opposed by the framers of the United States Constitution and some signatories of the Declaration of Independence. They saw a danger in majorities forcing their will on minorities. As a result, they advocated a representative democracy, and so such delegates are free to vote as they see fit!

Alexander Hamilton said, "That a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure, deformity."

Our representative democracy although far from perfect was a champion of freedom and civil liberties for 200+ years! The degradation of our country seems to go hand and hand with the loss of liberty and freedom. It is or at least was a more perfect form of goverment!

reply to post by Donkey_Dean


OP is not American, try again.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
Smooth move EX-LAX! No, really stand for something or fall for anything right? You have chosen an ideology particularly abhorrent to Americans. Are you sure you are not just looking for shock value?

It is fine in theory, but in reality history shows all communist countries to be tyrannical, just look at modern day China if you have any doubt.

Of course, because it is modern day China that is interfering in foreign countries, right?
It's China toppling the democratically elected governments in South America and replacing them with brutal dictatorships, right?
It's China kidnapping children from Afghanistan and holding them in Guantanamo Bay, right?
It's China launching wars to rape foreign countries of their natural resources, right?

I call American hypocrisy, as ever.

reply to post by Citybig


Our representative democracy although far from perfect was a champion of freedom and civil liberties for 200+ years! The degradation of our country seems to go hand and hand with the loss of personal liberty and freedom. It seems fraud controls our electoral process and maybe we are lost. It still is, or at least was a more perfect form of goverment!

If the law was truly accountable to the people of America I can assure you that the wars would end! It seems to me that America serves outside interests at this time. Like a puppet on strings!