China will Decimate the US Naval Fleet

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Just a quick reminder of the reality behind the current Sino/U.S. balance of force....

And the world...

Thank you! This is for all you dip #s that actually think China has something on the US of A. If only you knew of the actual war going on over our heads right now. We all but OWN them.

Look China has to be demonized to be the next "boogey-man" so that the US can justify the insane defense capabilities it has and will continue to have. Anyone who knows anything KNOWS that China cannot even BEGIN to hold the US's jock strap. Its all media talk and idiots on ATS who are championing China to be the next "big boy" and all they are doing is being SHEEP and buying into the hype to further the cause the US has in place..

reply to post by 0mage


There are some who believe Kammler's wunderwaffen labs and equipment made it to antarctica

and are simply waiting out the surface events to come, underground. One Germany may mean more than

east reunited with west.

LOL there is nothing going on in antarctica. If folks were down there to maintain a lab in that environment it would certainly be noticed by others. As crazy as it may sound to the uninformed, Antarctica isnt exactly the place to go to do something unseen.

Originally posted by drphilxr
reply to post by 0mage

 

There are some who believe Kammler's wunderwaffen labs and equipment made it to antarctica

and are simply waiting out the surface events to come, underground. One Germany may mean more than

east reunited with west.

Originally posted by DevilJonah
reply to post by JIMC5499

 

They are actually saying: Attack Iran and we will retaliate on their behalf...I mean it's almost completely out of the realm of hypothetical and almost as if they are stating a fact.

It has nothing to do with Iran. In the event of war with Iran, the US Navy will be predominantly concerned with protecting oil shipping and mine clearance. If anything, China would want to help the US in this regard.

China is not challenging or threatening the US militarily and currently it is not even remotely capable of doing so. The missiles that the article alludes to are land-based anti-ship missiles that are designed as a notional threat to the US Navy in order to affect the way that it operates and where it deploys in the future. The US Navy would have to blockade China before it even thinks about actually using them and that scenario is pretty bloody unlikely.

reply to post by princeofpeace

Look China has to be demonized to be the next "boogey-man" so that the US can justify the insane defense capabilities it has and will continue to have.

do you mean to say that if the USA drops arms and all federal aid paid out also, that the world would then welcome its young brother back into the fold?

just like that?

I mean,

Outspending China in NO way means we have outclassed them in an armed conflict.

In fact, one could pose the question: "Who was the most technologically advanced nation

fighting in WW2?" - the answer is not the Allied victors. Germany was minimalistically 10 years

ahead, and probably had designed 6 atomic weapons, and tested one. Look up the story

of sub U-234 as an eyeopener. But back to the main point. Our technologically advanced

horrifically expensive carriers and B2 bombers are not produced in mass numbers. The soviet

strategy for dealing with naval carrier battle groups was the same as this Chinese generals:

mass missile attacks ("vampires"). If only one ship killing ssm 'leaks through' the tiered defense,

"oops, you sunk my battleship!" The US didn't win WW2 with advanced jet aircraft, helicopters, or

flying discs (like the Germans had); nope, our mass production capacity in a relatively safe haven

across an ocean won it. Sound familiar? China has the edge. Our only hope was our industrial

production capacity which was farmed out to - China! Yaay! More profits for the 0.1%, and total

defeat at the hands of a 2 million man strong peasant army. BTW, Chinese defense spending

estimates are just that - estimates - and the graph posted here is considered by most experts

to be innaccurate. China has dramatically increased its military spending, probably close now

to the 3-400 billion range, knowing there will be a fight over oil, land, and other natural geopolitical

resources soon enough.

I really hope our wonder weapons that those nice paperclip scientists help us build out at Sandia

and Groom lake are fully operational, and fully effective - because the Chinese simply outgun

and outnumber us.

I remember laying out a similar scenario in US vs Iran with this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Seems that the Chinese were also interested in this tactic.

A CBG only carries a limited supply of defensive missiles and it only takes a few missiles to get through.

A CBG does not have 100% success in defending a missile.

Even if it is 90% if the Chinese fired 500 missiles, a 50 missiles would still get through...means:

DEAD CARRIER.

reply to post by princeofpeace



Look up any book by Dr. Joseph P Farrell and get informed.

Antarctica was mapped out, and explored by Goering and Doenitz on 2 separate occasions, in the 1930's.

Heavy mining equipment was brought in. The SS were expert by 1943 in "going underground"

with their war factories like no other nation could do until decades later. IT was a perfect hiding place,

remote, forbidding, and full of dangerous weather condtions. For that matter, read a little on operation

"Highjump" set up by defense secretary Forrestal and lead by Admiral Byrd (the one and same) in 1947

and how it ended prematurely. The German were known to have magnetic interference technologies well

in advance of anything we could dream up, and it is thought they "cloaked" their facilities by such methods

from any prying recon aircraft until they could dig in deeper. The myth of Neuschwabenland - maybe not such

a myth. And maybe the reason behind the modern UFO phenomenom began in 1947, closely following the war....

And the other governments of the world havent seen this book and to know to look there? Geez please!!!

Originally posted by drphilxr
reply to post by princeofpeace

 

Look up any book by Dr. Joseph P Farrell and get informed.

Antarctica was mapped out, and explored by Goering and Doenitz on 2 separate occasions, in the 1930's.

Heavy mining equipment was brought in. The SS were expert by 1943 in "going underground"

with their war factories like no other nation could do until decades later. IT was a perfect hiding place,

remote, forbidding, and full of dangerous weather condtions. For that matter, read a little on operation

"Highjump" set up by defense secretary Forrestal and lead by Admiral Byrd (the one and same) in 1947

and how it ended prematurely. The German were known to have magnetic interference technologies well

in advance of anything we could dream up, and it is thought they "cloaked" their facilities by such methods

from any prying recon aircraft until they could dig in deeper. The myth of Neuschwabenland - maybe not such

a myth. And maybe the reason behind the modern UFO phenomenom began in 1947, closely following the war....

It sounds to me like you are exactly the SHEEP the senators and congressmen love so that your paranoia about China can justify their continued spending on defense. No wonder the country is in trouble.

Originally posted by drphilxr
Outspending China in NO way means we have outclassed them in an armed conflict.

In fact, one could pose the question: "Who was the most technologically advanced nation

fighting in WW2?" - the answer is not the Allied victors. Germany was minimalistically 10 years

ahead, and probably had designed 6 atomic weapons, and tested one. Look up the story

of sub U-234 as an eyeopener. But back to the main point. Our technologically advanced

horrifically expensive carriers and B2 bombers are not produced in mass numbers. The soviet

strategy for dealing with naval carrier battle groups was the same as this Chinese generals:

mass missile attacks ("vampires"). If only one ship killing ssm 'leaks through' the tiered defense,

"oops, you sunk my battleship!" The US didn't win WW2 with advanced jet aircraft, helicopters, or

flying discs (like the Germans had); nope, our mass production capacity in a relatively safe haven

across an ocean won it. Sound familiar? China has the edge. Our only hope was our industrial

production capacity which was farmed out to - China! Yaay! More profits for the 0.1%, and total

defeat at the hands of a 2 million man strong peasant army. BTW, Chinese defense spending

estimates are just that - estimates - and the graph posted here is considered by most experts

to be innaccurate. China has dramatically increased its military spending, probably close now

to the 3-400 billion range, knowing there will be a fight over oil, land, and other natural geopolitical

resources soon enough.

I really hope our wonder weapons that those nice paperclip scientists help us build out at Sandia

and Groom lake are fully operational, and fully effective - because the Chinese simply outgun

and outnumber us.

edit on 6/11/2012 by drphilxr because: U234 was carrying U238!!

reply to post by princeofpeace


ever been to Alaska? Antarctica is much more difficult a place to get to and survive.

The West is Soviet - Vostok.

There are huge barren landscapes of nothing between US and other international bases.

Most of the continent is under 1-2 miles of ICE. Of course they would never find anything

by satellite mapping, LIDAR, or ground penetrating radar.

Im done talking about this to the uninformed. Antarctica might as well be Mars.

Its just not easily accessible, especially the interior.

Originally posted by Citybig
It's so funny to read the yanks slamming the Chinese Military and Russian/Soviet equipment. How quick you forget that in every war you have fought since 1945 (you've lost all of them) it has been Soviet/Russian equipment that has sent your useless army back in boxes, and the Chinese Army that sent you packing from both Korea and Vietnam.

You can't win a war you don't want to win.

Korea: Truman fired MacArthur for trying to defeat the enemy.
Vietnam: remember the Paris Peace Accords? When they were violated Congress denied any funding to enforce the treaty.
Grenada: there are no Cubans running the airfield they built for the Soviet Union.
Panama: Noriega is still in jail.
Grenada & Panama had clearly defined goals unlike the others and Afghanistan and Iraq.

reply to post by hawkiye


Everyone knows that since WW2 the Us has fought every "War" with one hand tied behind their backs.

They really do not have a clue that if that leash was ever taken off they will see who the baddest kid on the block is.


And that aint China,or Russia or some Islamic terrorist.

I sure have!!! And if anyone is down there drilling and building underground labs in the ice it will be noticed. Geez the SHEEP are out tonight!!

Originally posted by drphilxr
reply to post by princeofpeace

 

ever been to Alaska? Antarctica is much more difficult a place to get to and survive.

The West is Soviet - Vostok.

There are huge barren landscapes of nothing between US and other international bases.

Most of the continent is under 1-2 miles of ICE. Of course they would never find anything

by satellite mapping, LIDAR, or ground penetrating radar.

Im done talking about this to the uninformed. Antarctica might as well be Mars.

Its just not easily accessible, especially the interior.

reply to post by DevilJonah


Actually I think China holds less debt than Fed and SSTF. Not that it matters.

The next major war will likely not be the US v. China. Think about it, with the Chinese finally seeing the potential of a life as well-off as many in the West have and have had, and the fact that our economies are so intertwined, I would see open conflict as being down-right nuts for both of us. It's much better to make money and have the 2 cars and a color TV or three.
What I do see is a time when the islamic nations of the world unite under one flag. They will see themselves as being slighted by the West, and the Chinese as well, and decide to make things right by forcing everyone into the faith - or die.

Exactly...it doesnt matter. If all the words currencies collaps tomorrow do you think that would somehow stop the powers from doing their thing? I think not. Theyh alreayd have ways to operate without money if need be. Money is just the tool.....

Originally posted by DoctorMobius
reply to post by DevilJonah

 

Actually I think China holds less debt than Fed and SSTF. Not that it matters.

Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Citybig

 

No, we would still be speaking English, you see, we defeated any chance of a German invasion long, long before you got brought into the mix. But don't let historical truths get in the way of your ego.

What sort of alpha gets taken down by arabs on planes and falling skyscrapers?

Anyway, this is all unimportant. You are owned by the Chinese now, start cowtowing you little bitch.

Really so that is why Churchill was begging us to come help Britain While Hitler was bombing London to rubble... LOL!

If you believe Arabs took down the Towers I have some prime everglades land in Florida I'd like to interest you in.... Now sit down and do as your told and leave the adult conversation to the adults....

edit on 11-6-2012 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

Churchill didn't beg anything.

America joining at the END of WWII...is the same as me playing a video game, & doing 95% of the levels & bosses..all for someone to come in at the end, help me defeat the final boss then take all the credit.

Russia was the country that effectively won the war through Operation Barbarossa. It was German'y mistake in invading Russia that left it vulnerable after the effort to try & take Moscow.

Originally posted by Bixxi3

Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by TritonTaranis

 

Churchill did not beg for the US he begged for ..is his words "give us the tool and well finish the job"

No one is discounting Britain's accomplishment in the Battle of Britain as it is now termed.However. If that is not asking for help I am not sure what is? We did help with supplies and several American pilots joined the RAF to fight before the US entered the war. Had we not supplied them with supplies and eventually aircraft and eventually entered the war they may not have been able to sustain the air superiority they won over the channel and continued the fight in Africa and elswhere.

edit on 11-6-2012 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

You and your history lessons you like to make up in your head

The US was instrumental with the Lend Lease and other more secret agreements. the US leased to Britain arms, ammunition, tanks, planes, ships, fuel oil and other supplies.

Britain couldn't have beaten Germany, even with USSR's help, because they didn't have the numbers. True even today. Blair came begging to Clinton over Kosovo and Bush Jr over Iraq because UK doesn't have men or resources to do anything on their own.

Again the US didn't enter the war at the last minute. we joined the wr effort in Dec 41. the War ended in 45. When British PM Winston Churchill heard about Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, he breathed a sigh of relief and said "We have now won the war". Even he knew Britain couldn't get it done without the US.

Not just Britain. the US saved Australia and New Zealand France Belgium etc. After the British lost Singapore the worst military defeat in British history the US took over total responsibility for the defense of Australia due to Britain's inability in the Pacific. Some strategic moves and battles in 42 in the Pacific were done by Britain to keep Japan away from either invading Australia or having a airbase to strike Australia. (Coral Sea NOT Midway which had little if anything to do with Australia) Most Brits forget about the Pacific War. Probably because after Singapore they considered their war against Japan a lost cause and the fact they were losing in the war to the more immediate threat of Nazi Germany.

After Dunkirk, many wanted to seek peace (surrender) with Germany. After the Battle of Britain (brilliance by RAF) Churchill didn't say the war was won. After Germany invaded USSR, Brits didn't think the war was won. After El-Alamein was won by Brits driving Lend-Lease US tanks, the Brits didn't believe war was won. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and brought the US into the war, Churchill celebrated and declared the war won. The British PM, war cabinet, and Military leaders believed they could not have won the war without the US.

So much for the armchair revisionist historians who claimed the US got into the war at the end and it was all but over thanks to the Russians... Now if you care to counter any of this with some hard evidence please feel free!