China will Decimate the US Naval Fleet

What you see is not what you get in China.If they are having trouble making current designs due to faulty craftsman ship I do believe an advanced one would be a worse endeavor.Their piloting skills not withstanding.The article shows that the US IS still designing and making fighters as I already said.The computer software is beyond highly classified I wouldn't accept any open source as effective info on that.The "secret" miniature shuttles seems to function just fine as an orbital system.That type of flight is FAR more difficult than a fighter's missions.I think the software issue is moot,as would be any aircraft that doesn't have a zero time of flight engagement capability.

Originally posted by Matt1951

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
Wait the superior Chinese technology is in the news:
www.theepochtimes.com...
The running joke continues,but feel free to extol their virtues.I love debating and winning on this forum.One person actually insinuated I could be a troll! a first for me.

China has problems, the US has problems. Do you really think there is no corruption in the US?
What we can expect to see, is the Chinese will not stop improving their economy or their military. The US stopped fighter development with the JSF - which had its origins 20 years ago. China will keep coming out with new fighters, as well as carriers, nuclear subs and so forth.
The US has a strong edge for now - but not in ten years. So does the US start a war to prevent a stronger China?

No you naive child

There will not be a Chinese vs American war. China is to be embraced as a regional power and American to remain the global super power and great arbiter of the Eurasian mainland.

I assure you that Chinese American relations will only become more friendly. There will be a world order

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
What you see is not what you get in China.If they are having trouble making current designs due to faulty craftsman ship I do believe an advanced one would be a worse endeavor.Their piloting skills not withstanding.The article shows that the US IS still designing and making fighters as I already said.The computer software is beyond highly classified I wouldn't accept any open source as effective info on that.The "secret" miniature shuttles seems to function just fine as an orbital system.That type of flight is FAR more difficult than a fighter's missions.I think the software issue is moot,as would be any aircraft that doesn't have a zero time of flight engagement capability.

I think the real problem is the US has great scientists and engineers who make fine prototypes, but we can't transfer the lab work to production. The key question is, what are we making? in any quantities that matter?

reply to post by Matt1951

Code writing for the F-22 occurred in the late 80's to early 90's. The first prototype flew Sept. 29th 1990. A second prototype flew Oct. 30th 1990....so you are talking about a Fighter that has been around for about 22 YEARS.

Code writing today is much simpler and code length or quantity is not as much of an issue. Even the the X-35A CTOL flew for the first time Oct. 24th 2000. TWELVE YEARS AGO!

Since these dates...U.S. Super Computing Power as well as Self Generating Code Writing have changed the game to such an extent that many things were changed in a effort to leap frog other nations abilities.

Plus...as I have been repeatedly been saying...Direct Energy Weapons that the U.S. has either already developed or is developing...is changing the FACE OF WARFARE. Why spend Multi-Billions if not Trillions of Dollars on a system to destroy targets or Fighters to escort Bombers or as in the F/A-22's case...be both...when a Nuclear Powered Laser can target any object or area on Earth, Sky, Space, Ocean or UNDER THE OCEAN?

The FEL is but one of these Direct Energy Weapons and even the FEL with the aid of specialized Satellites has the power to destroy any Submarine a thousand feet or more deep under the Ocean. Split Infinity

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The problem isnt' building stealth aircraft, the problem is people not understanding pricing, seeing huge numbers and flipping out. The more aircraft you build, the lower the per unit cost goes.

As for maintenance issues, EVERY aircraft ever built has had maintenance issues to begin with, and as people learned shortcuts that worked better, their issues dropped. Even aircraft that have been around for decades have maintenance issues. The B-2 target mission capable rate is 57.9%, meaning that as many as 8 aircraft are ready to go at any given time. The B-52 which has been around for decades, and has all its maintenance issues effectively worked out, is around 74%. Minot AFB sits right at the 74%, some units are higher. That's on an aircraft that the newest airframe was delivered in 1962.

There are a number of issues that were discovered on all the stealth aircraft that have been worked out by maintenance people in the field. The B-2 especially was a real problem to maintain at first, but now they have a much easier time working on it.

Originally posted by randomname
why does the united states polarize the world.

if america and israel have a problem with iran, why do they threaten to punish belgium or britain.

It is in Britain's interest to agree. You can bet that the UK and the US have been working together on this, with ever obedient Britain agreeing with whatever the mighty US decides.

Ultimately, Britain and the US are allies, of course they're going to agree on this. They would have known that it would be an opportunity to force a couple of nations to pick a side, we're gearing up for war and looking for enemies.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
The second article was interesting. I wonder just how China plans to target all of these missiles?

There are other ways to protect a ship from missiles. Jammers, decoys, chaff and a few tricks with helicopters that I'm not going into.

Then there's the issue of how China's ships are going to get into range to fire those missiles?

That guy's regiment may have shot a bunch of missiles, but, I wonder how well they are going to do when someone is shooting back?

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board. By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... zz1yBr9SdZg

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As I said before in the "Invasion" thread, America constantly underestimates the capabilities of other nations. It thinks it is invincible and that the rest of the Human race lives in caves and mud huts throwing rocks at each other.

America is extremely inward looking, as though other nations only exist when they want to attack or they need an ally. This means that they are naturally going to underestimate their potential enemies.

Edit, damn, just realized I linked to the Daily Fail, sorry about that.

If China decimated the US naval fleet then that would be the end of China. PERIOD. You guys need to find better ways to spend the allowable breaths you have in this life on more worthwhile things.

those who do not remember history will be forced to relive it..

these talk about demeaning china's military capabilities sounds like back then when most westerner look down on japanese. look what happen then when japan suprised everyone.

remember back then no one uses Nuclear Weapons. what kind of suprise will be launched against a complacent US armed forces this time ?

i think both china and US will start their war using proxies. China is using North Korea as their bully boy to the west, i think china will avoid direct warfare with US until US armed forces grow weak thru funding cuts and complacence.

before we go to comparing china's vs US's armed forces and capabilities, you have to see the big picture first, what will each side gain from a direct conflict? china wont attack US unless they have something to gain or they are forced against the wall. Both may move their pieces thru political moves and maybe covert ops but no open war.

i think one of the reason for next world conflict will be resource fight, fought using conventional and covert forces and by using proxies. i think there may be EMP attack or limited Nuke Strike on US soil. i think the current financial mess / tightrope will push nations to abandon US dollar thus further weakening US military might.

the puzzle pieces start to fell together..

there's move to weaken US by foreign forces using corrupt US leaders. ( i think obama is just 1 piece of that puzzle and he will surely be the one to take the fall later)

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China will not decimate the US Naval Fleet.

Bare in mind there are other well equipped nations such as, South Korea, Japan and you can bet your bottom dollar (or which ever currency you use from where ever you live) that there'll be a few British subs just having a nice swim around the South China Sea.

it is childish and foolish to compare hardware vs hardware at this present time

at this stage of time, the US got the best trained and best equipped Armed Forces and no SINGLE country can challenge US in direct combat and won. this is the fact, but this wont last forever. will there be nations or coalition of nations that will win in direct conflict with US in the future ? will US as a nation will last as long as the old empires ?

nothing last forever..

do not forget that warfare encompass not just direct conflict of armed force , there are other aspect of warfare that will weaken enemies from within. US can be eroded slowly from the inside (its happening now) with the collaboration of corrupt politicians.

Originally posted by milomilo
it is childish and foolish to compare hardware vs hardware at this present time

at this stage of time, the US got the best trained and best equipped Armed Forces and no SINGLE country can challenge US in direct combat and won. this is the fact, but this wont last forever. will there be nations or coalition of nations that will win in direct conflict with US in the future ? will US as a nation will last as long as the old empires ?

nothing last forever..

do not forget that warfare encompass not just direct conflict of armed force , there are other aspect of warfare that will weaken enemies from within. US can be eroded slowly from the inside (its happening now) with the collaboration of corrupt politicians.

Ahem, the British Armed Forces has the best training in the world.

Originally posted by intrptr
Agreed. I brought this before. Anyone that sees an easy victory over Chinese toy store army better take a close look at the complexities presented here.

www.sinodefenceforum.com...

Mate, that is some frightening material !!!!!

You should start your own thread.

Originally posted by mungodave

Originally posted by intrptr
Agreed. I brought this before. Anyone that sees an easy victory over Chinese toy store army better take a close look at the complexities presented here.

www.sinodefenceforum.com...

Mate, that is some frightening material !!!!!

You should start your own thread.

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Thank you. I'm better at chiming in than hosting. You can go for it if you like...

reply to post by DevilJonah


While I do believe that the PLA has some aces up its sleeves, so does the USN. I highly doubt that China would "decimate" fleet. I just don't believe that out of 114 missiles, all of them hit their targets perfectly. Sounds more like propaganda to me. Hell, even the US military doesn't try to put out BS statistics like that.

all it takes is for us to use a high class nuke and hit there ship and there wont be a part left.

Originally posted by Krono
Ahem, the British Armed Forces has the best training in the world.

Agreed.

After the U.S., Britain does field some of the best trained professional soldiers in the world.

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by Krono
Ahem, the British Armed Forces has the best training in the world.

Agreed.

After the U.S., Britain does field some of the best trained professional soldiers in the world.

Errmmm, you have the nicest toys but ours lads are the best trained.

Sorry, our lasses aswell.

There is a Chinese man I talk to from time to time, that lives here in Ohio. He owns a stainless steel company that imports it products from China slaps an American name on it and then sells it as being American made. Anyway his company isn't the point. While talking with him one of the many times, we determined we were both military veterans. Him with the Chinese Red Army and me with the US Army. Turns out he was a colonel and at the time he was in, one of the few that spoke english. His main job was to translate the English dictionary to Chinese. Of course we are talking he served in the late 60's through the 80's. As a US Military vet I was uneasy at first that this man I talk to, was a colonel in the red army. But we still talked from time to time. A few weeks ago I was talking to him, and we were talking about the growing tension throughout the world. I posed the question to him about what he thought China stance would be. He said the Chinese, would stand beside the US because there economy depends on the US importing Chinese goods. Of course this was his opinion, however he does travel to China every month, and does talk to his old military friends. I don't really know if that would be China's stance or not but I can see that China's economy would take a huge blow if the US wasn't importing their goods. I just thought that I would share this with everyone. Like I said, I talk to him quite often, and find some of what he says about China interesting if nothing else. Thanks.

Originally posted by DevilJonah
This post covers two articles that I have just come across. Though seperate events, its hard to not read them together. I hate to be a fear monger...but I feel as though even the blind can see what is on the horizon.

Original Article #1 - No Waiver for China

Malaysia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Taiwan Belgium, Britain, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Japan have been granted waivers for, according to Clinton:

determined to have done enough to wean themselves from Iranian petroleum.

The U.S. sanctions target foreign financial institutions that do business with Iran's central bank by barring them from opening or maintaining correspondent operations in the United States, leaving China the only country without one.

So what does this mean for China U.S. relations? How can the US sanction China, the largest holder of US debt?

Meanwhile, it seems that China is gearing for war:

Article #2 - How China will Destroy a US Fleet

The article essentially goes to show how China believes that it will decimate a US fleet should a conflict arise. Combined with the US turning their eye towards the Pacific and the strengthening of China Russia relations, I feel like the end result is unavoidable.

Side note...Germany has been awfully quiet...where do they stand in the growing doom and gloom of WWIII?

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sorry...but this article assumes defense ONLY by the ships being fired upon...there are other options of defense which will not be released to the public.