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Obama speeds up limited air strike, no-fly zones preparations for Syria *VIDEO*

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by victor7


Ask a common person from Chechneya if they would want to go back to days of rubble and dust when house to house fighting was going on in Grozny.


Putin still has troops there...........







posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Also your sectarian post above.


What?
Do you deny there has been sectarian violence between the two going back hundreds of years? This isn't anything new. I'm sorry.


See how silly is to not discuss honestly? You points are applicable and can be used against you to what I posted with Bahrain.


I am discussing the situation honestly IMO. I always try to call it down the middle and I will often get slammed because of it and many hate it when I hold a mirror that shows them their hypocrisy.

The fact of the matter is that most simply hate the idea of their side losing.
Sorry, but there it is.
edit on 11-6-2012 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)


Twisting?

Sectarian post line to your pg3 post was just after the reference to your immediate past post on pg4, they were referenced together, as they were similar and/or complementary.

Didn't deny, but rather worded so it can show I acknowledge sectarian violence,not deny.

And it doesn't show much, your taking of middle positions, some posts you leave yourself open to ambiguity.

What you did to Agent_USA_Supporter's post on his Kuwaiti assistance to Syrian rebels was again puzzling, you twisted his post after asking a question but then making it look like you didn't want a source by quoting passages having nothing to do with what you asked on him.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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now propaganda is legal in USA

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Defense Bill Legalizes US Propaganda
June 11, 2012

A new feature in the latest version of the National Defense Authorization Act would legalize U.S. government propaganda directed at the American people, with the belief that successful wars require domestic acceptance, writes Lawrence Davidson.

By Lawrence Davidson

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) is misnamed, since it has less to do with defense than offense. The offensive it wages is not just against a growing list of alleged enemies of the United States but also, from a constitutional perspective, against the rights of American citizens and residents.

Major parts of the legislation are based on the assumption that key legal protections for individuals are incompatible with the requirements of national security. The result is that Americans are now caught between “the terrorists” and the authoritarian propensities of their own government.

Big Brother poster illustrating George Orwell's novel about modern propaganda, 1984.

The NDAA – specifically Section 1021(b)(2) – has already institutionalized the U.S. military’s ability to indefinitely detain, without charge or trial, citizens and non-citizens alike. This is a serious abuse of power. The monarchical authority our Founders sought to escape practiced such a “disappearance” of people. So have the contemporary dictatorships that Washington has so consistently supported.

Now Americans, apparently having no patience or imagination to seek routes to security compatible with our own legal principles, are ready to illegally imprison without recourse those whom we (rightly or wrongly) fear.
consortiumnews.com...
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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While I agree that nukes will not be used, if it is a conventional war with Russia-China and its allies vs NATO it would still be an interesting war nonetheless.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:05 AM
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well Grozny has been rebuilt well.And Chechnya its mainly controlled by Kadryov's troops(these guys are way tougher than russian conscripts,comparable to US marines).He is way much more ruthless than Putin when it comes to dealing with arab wahabbi fighters .Its said he had them boiled alive ,poured acid on them ,cut them peace by peace. These stories scared the foreign fighters who would come from Pakistan.Large numbers of chechen mujihadeen were Pakistanis.Most chechens neither liked Basayvev nor russian forces.But the tactics of Kadryov in dealing with wahabbis takes the cake.Extreme.

Grozny in 2011:

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:23 AM
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I believe many of these deaths in Syria,can be attained to Maher al-Assad,and his security forces.

Having him,left in power,if his brother left,could really throw that country into a mass genocide.

I would hope,Putin wouldn't back something like that.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:26 AM
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I believe many of these deaths in Syria,can be attained to Maher al-Assad,and his security forces.


??? attained ? what are you saying ??



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:30 AM
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Even if so, then there is nothing wrong in keeping troops anywhere in one's own country.

US keeps its troops in dozens of other nations and wants to add more to the list.

Something is really wrong with the fundamental freedoms.........back home?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by sonnny1
 





I believe many of these deaths in Syria,can be attained to Maher al-Assad,and his security forces.


??? attained ? what are you saying ??


Maybe wrong choice of word........

His track record,of putting down insurrections,has been documented.


In 2008, Maher was in charge of putting down a prison revolt in Saidnaya. Around 25 people were killed during the violent crack down.[21] Human rights groups have video footage that shows Maher taking photographs with his mobile phone of the dismembered bodies of political prisoners after the riot.[22] Maher's sister-in-law, Majd al-Jadaan, who lives in exile confirmed that the individual in the video footage was him


Maher al-Assad



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:40 AM
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I don't know what to say.But if some reports are right,the new strategy will be prevent cross over of the terrorists and heavy equipment from the borders as many tanks and apcs have been destroyed by french supplies of milan and Javelins .To be frank I doubt Maher will come in place of basher.I think in coming elections a shia-sunni coalition will come to power.

But what I am thinking is that Turkey is about get itself killed alongside Syria.If Turkey invades the Syrians will launch their entire biological and chemical arsenal on Turkey ,Israel and other arab nations like Qatar.
edit on 12-6-2012 by ludwigvonmises003 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by sonnny1
 


Even if so, then there is nothing wrong in keeping troops anywhere in one's own country.

US keeps its troops in dozens of other nations and wants to add more to the list.

Something is really wrong with the fundamental freedoms.........back home?





Wrong at home and abroad. But Like Ive said,in many posts. The massacres in general,worldwide,need to be addressed,and stopped.Africa,the Middle East,everywhere. You wouldn't be human,if you didn't care,or want it to end.History will repeat itself,if not checked. Who is going to step up? Who's going to stop the Hitlers of the World? Who's going to stop the genocides? If you think America is the only country,supplying weapons,your sadly mistaken. If you think other country's,are not going to fill voids,if ALL US troops left every country,they are in,your sadly mistaken.If you think Wars wont happen,for the sake of conquest,your sadly mistaken.Think the UN is strong enough,to take the role on?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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I have starred your post.Good post.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:09 AM
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War proper is a mystery, but 2 pieces below add to chaos

Russia says action on Syria, Iran may go nuclear
Thu May 17, 2012 3:29pm EDT
* Russian PM Medvedev will travel to G8 summit

* Will try to influence G8 statement on Syria

* Opposes new U.S. legislation on Russia

By Gleb Bryanski

www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/g8-russia-idUSL5E8GHEQW20120517

MOSCOW, May 17 (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned on Thursday that military action against sovereign states could lead to a regional nuclear war, starkly voicing Moscow's opposition to Western intervention ahead of a G8 summit at which Syria and Iran will be discussed.

"Hasty military operations in foreign states usually bring radicals to power," Medvedev, president for four years until Vladimir Putin's inauguration on May 7, told a conference in St. Petersburg in remarks posted on the government's website.

"At some point such actions which undermine state sovereignty may lead to a full-scale regional war, even, although I do not want to frighten anyone, with the use of nuclear weapons," Medvedev said. "Everyone should bear this in mind."

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As president, Medvedev instructed Russia to abstain in a U.N. Security Council vote on a resolution that authorised NATO intervention in Libya, a decision Putin implicitly criticised when he likened the resolution to "medieval calls for crusades".

Medvedev rebuked Putin for the remark, and some Kremlin insiders have said the confrontation over Libya was a factor in Putin's decision to return to the presidency this year instead of letting his junior partner seek a second term.

Russia has since accused NATO of overstepping its mandate under the resolution to help rebels oust long-time leader Muammar Gaddafi, and has warned it will not let anything similar happen in Syria.

(...)


Putin: UN Libya resolution defective, reminds of medieval call for Crusade RTAmerica




posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by victor7
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Even if so, then there is nothing wrong in keeping troops anywhere in one's own country.

US keeps its troops in dozens of other nations and wants to add more to the list.

Something is really wrong with the fundamental freedoms.........back home?



Wrong at home and abroad. But Like Ive said,in many posts. The massacres in general,worldwide,need to be addressed,and stopped.Africa,the Middle East,everywhere. You wouldn't be human,if you didn't care,or want it to end.History will repeat itself,if not checked. Who is going to step up? Who's going to stop the Hitlers of the World? Who's going to stop the genocides? If you think America is the only country,supplying weapons,your sadly mistaken. If you think other country's,are not going to fill voids,if ALL US troops left every country,they are in,your sadly mistaken.If you think Wars wont happen,for the sake of conquest,your sadly mistaken.Think the UN is strong enough,to take the role on?


The modern day Hitlers sit inside the US not outside. Iraq was peaceful until it was attacked, so was Libya. Among nations on the list, Syria and Iran would be much peaceful but for nose poking going around from the western direction.

If accepting in an humane way, then US troops should not be getting maimed in Afghanistan right now. The reasons they are there goes back to early 1980s and US policies from and all along the 30+ years since then.

Change your policies and 90% of your boys will come back home rather than patrolling the dimly lit streets of some third world nation.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:27 AM
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We can't really say, "Obama needs to get out of the white house," because any other puppet would just carry on the plan. Obama is nothing more than a name and a scapegoat.

I wish that we, as citizens, could choose what our tax dollars get spent on. I would not support our defense/military department, whatsoever, so as long as it keeps being used in such vile ways.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by g146541
If that is what the terrorist state of israel wants, it is what they will get.
And people wonder why I say that terrorist cell should be eradicated...

What does Israel have to do with this thread at all? The word Israel isn't even mentioned in the OP once.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by g146541
If that is what the terrorist state of israel wants, it is what they will get.
And people wonder why I say that terrorist cell should be eradicated...

What does Israel have to do with this thread at all? The word Israel isn't even mentioned in the OP once.

No you're right, the terrorist state of israel was not mentioned in the OP.
I wonder why that is, we know why every state in the med/mid east is decimated, except the terrorist state of israel.
That is one clever terrorist cell huh?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by victor7

The modern day Hitlers sit inside the US not outside. Iraq was peaceful until it was attacked, so was Libya. Among nations on the list, Syria and Iran would be much peaceful but for nose poking going around from the western direction.



I dont "buy" that one bit.

You are generalizing the United States,and trying to equate Hitlers policy's with it? Really?


Atrocity's were happening in Iraq,and Libya. For you to sweep aside those atrocity's,because of your bias for the United States,gives those who died in ANY of those country's,a silent voice. A meaningless voice.No atrocity's in Iran ? NONE in Syria? Please....................



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Just a quick question, why is the Israel president in Washington DC today?
Saw him on news this morning, angers me so I didn't even listen to him but...
Don't we always get the team together for a pep rally just before the big game?
Thinking we should all put our ears to the ground to get a little warning before it starts.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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USA WILL Commence Limited Air Strikes In Syria - World War Three On

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