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The 9th of Av is 911

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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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The 9th of AV.

Av is the 11th month of the Jewish civil calendar. The Babylonian Talmud states that "when we enter Av, our joy is diminished". Some of the darkest events in Jewish history have taken place during the month of Av, especially during the days leading up to the 9th of Av know as Tisha B'Av.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I wish to focus upon the 9th of Av. To the Jews the 9th of Av is 911; the 9th day of the 11th month. This is a striking coincidence(?) that I know you have not often if ever heard in the media or anywhere else. Some of the events that have taken place on the 9th of Av:

- 586 BC the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians.
- 70 AD the second temple was destroyed by the legions of the Roman emperor Vespasian. Some sources report that they were in fact Assyrian (Syrian) conscripts).
- 133 AD "Betar, the last stronghold of the Bar Kochba rebellion, fell to the Romans on the 9th of Av of the Hebrew year 3893 (133 CE) after a three-year siege. 580,000 J ews are said to have died by either starvation or the sword, including Bar Kochba, the leader of the rebellion." wikipedia
- 1290 AD J ews expelled from England.

All of the above can be found at [link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org] further details that these events also took place on the 9th of Av:

- The twelve spies that Moses sent to survey the promised land returned. Ten gave an evil report and caused Israel to wander in the wilderness until that faithless generation had died out.
- 1492 AD Jews are expelled from Spain.
- 1914 AD World War one begins (ended 11/11/18). This war would prepare Germany to accept Hitler and the final solution.
- 1942 the NAZIs began to evacuate the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto to the camps.

So we have two indisputable facts:
- the 9th of Av is 911
- the 9th of Av has repeatedly been a day of calamity for Israel going back at least to the time prior to the entry of the Hebrews into the Holy Land.

One more thing. The 9th of Av begins at sundown in Israel. This year the 9th of Av will commence on the evening of July 27.

[link to www.timeanddate.com]
Sundown will be at 19:39 Jerusalem time.

The XXX Olympiad opening ceremony will begin at 7:30 pm on 27 July. London is two hours behind Israel and both use DST. So the Olympic Opening Ceremonies will commence a little less than two hours into the 9th of Av.




posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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So... you are saying we "will be" and "must be" sad 2 hour into the Olympic ?
Actually I do found these linkage before, but hey,I guess human sacrifices is sort of common after 911.

Anyway, I'll watch from my tv and even that it will be a repeat (mass media hypnotize shield - ON!)



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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I am stating facts not making implications. It is likely that the ritual of the Olympics is to build up to the actual event that will be later. That is my speculation.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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So in 2,598 years, there have been 8 major events on this date not exactly a pattern is it? Pick another date and see what happens.

Also if it is a different calendar, how can it bear any relation to 9/11 of the Gregorian calendar. It is just a coincidence surely? People do this all the time. 9/11 in the UK was November 2009...nothing happened.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Av is the fifth month of the Jewish calendar. The eleventh month is Shvat. The ninth month is Kislev. And anyway, if you were trying to extend your 9/11 analogy into the Jewish calendar, you would want the eleventh day of the ninth month, not the ninth day of the eleventh month, correct? That'd be the 11th of Kislev, which is 2 weeks before Hanukkah starts. 9/11/2001 was the 23rd of Elul, if you're curious. So... nothing in your post makes sense. Where'd you get this information?



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tish_B’Av

The Jews themselves have drawn the implication not me. Take up your issues with them or your therapist, which I am certain that you have on retainer.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Thought Provoker
Av is the fifth month of the Jewish calendar. The eleventh month is Shvat. The ninth month is Kislev. And anyway, if you were trying to extend your 9/11 analogy into the Jewish calendar, you would want the eleventh day of the ninth month, not the ninth day of the eleventh month, correct? That'd be the 11th of Kislev, which is 2 weeks before Hanukkah starts. 9/11/2001 was the 23rd of Elul, if you're curious. So... nothing in your post makes sense. Where'd you get this information?


You are not correct:

En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Av

"Av (Hebrew: אָב‎, Standard Av Tiberian ʾĀḇ ; from Akkadian abu) is the eleventh month of the civil year and the fifth month of the ecclesiastical year on the Hebrew calendar."



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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And since your interest in being wrong seems to be greater than my interest in showing you how wrong you are by posting a lot of links google this: av is the eleventh month



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Whose head are you trying to toy with here? Just go to a converter table: ( Jewish-civil) and type in 9/11/2001
September 11th was not the 9th of Av at all. Here's the copy/paste & link:

"You have selected:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001
The corresponding Jewish date is:
Elul 23, 5761*

www.chabad.org... /GO%C2%A0%C2%BB
"



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by Numbers33four
reply to post by fiftyfifty
 


En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tish_B’Av

The Jews themselves have drawn the implication not me. Take up your issues with them or your therapist, which I am certain that you have on retainer.


That's a great reply, thank you. I see you have a level of insecurity and feel the need to defend yourself disproportionately. I don't really care enough to take this up with the Jewish population and I certainly don't feel the need to 'research' it myself through Wikipedia (the most unreliable source of information on the web).

Sorry to inform you that I have never had a therapist as I am able to detach the online conspiracy world from my real life where I work, socialise and spend valuable time with my family. It appears from your ignorant ape level reply, that you are indeed the one that requires therapy. Consult your GP and I'm sure he will point you in the right direction.

Good luck with your future dedication into this subject which in my opinion is a laughable deluded hobby.

regards.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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Originally posted by crosspoint
Whose head are you trying to toy with here? Just go to a converter table: ( Jewish-civil) and type in 9/11/2001
September 11th was not the 9th of Av at all. Here's the copy/paste & link:

"You have selected:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001
The corresponding Jewish date is:
Elul 23, 5761*

www.chabad.org... /GO%C2%A0%C2%BB
"


Where did I say that the 9th of Av was 9-11-01? Nowhere. I said that 27 July at Sundown in Israel is the 9th of Av ie the 9th of Av or 911 the 9th day of the 11th month of the civil calendar begins during the opening ceremony of the Olympics.

Instead of adding things to the OP that are not there follow this link:

www.chabad.org... /GO%C2%A0%C2%BB

And note the * at the bottom that tells you that the resulting date may be off by a day. That is because, like I said, the day turns from 8 Av to 9 Av at sundown in Israel.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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You felt some need to bring your lack of knowledge to the thread to begin with so why stop now? Good luck with living in the UK. You deserve it.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by Numbers33four
reply to post by fiftyfifty
 


You felt some need to bring your lack of knowledge to the thread to begin with so why stop now? Good luck with living in the UK. You deserve it.


And what you bring is knowledge is it? Why stop now you ask? Because this isn't worth my time. You clearly don't live in and probably have never visited the UK so I would reserve judgement until you have educated yourself. Wherever you are from cannot be a great place if it breeds idiots such as yourself.

Get off of your pedestal, open your eyes and stop being a prize jerk. You will find that your perspective of the world might change. You have just destroyed your own thread by the way - good work



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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The Ninth Day of Av (in Hebrew: Tisha B'Av) is the saddest day in the Jewish calendar. In the synagogue, the cushioned chairs are pushed out of the way and the entire congregation sits on the floor or on low boxes, shoeless (shoes being a sign of comfort and prosperity), the Torah scrolls have been stripped of their elegant and ornamented wrappings and are now wrapped in plain black cloth, the ornamented curtain over the doors of the cabinet of the scrolls (the ark) is missing.

The destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians was preceded by a siege of Jerusalem which reduced the inhabitants to the starvation (Second Kings 25:3), therefore the weeks preceding Tisha B'Av are marked by an absence of festivities (.e.g., weddings are not scheduled for this period). The meal preceding the commencement of Tisha B'Av is bare subsistence (traditionally dry bread and water, and a hardboiled egg dipped in ashes).

At sundown, the congregants go to the synagogue but do not greet each other. This commences one of the two total 24-hour fasts of the year (the other fast is Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement) - no food or water until the next sundown. The congregants sit as mourners and recite the book of Lamentations (all 154 verses) in a mournful, traditional chant. This is followed by traditional poems (called kinos) recounting the horrors of the fall of Jerusalem and the misery associated with that event. Some of the regular evening service is recited and the congregants get up and return home in the dark, again without exchanging pleasantries.

The next morning the congregants return to the synagogue, as before, and the morning service is recited - with some changes (e.g., the blessings, "Blessed are Thou ... Who provides for all me needs" and " ... Who crowns Israel in splendor", are omitted). Again, there are no cushioned chairs, and the lights are not turned on - the congregants are expected to read by whatever daylight is coming through the windows, they again do not wear shoes and, unlike other morning services, do not wear the prayer shawl. The lesson from the Prophets is Jeremiah 8:13 to 9:23. Lamentations is again chanted. More kinos are recited, recounting the horrors of the siege by Nebuchadnezzer, the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple, the exile to Babylonia, and martyrdoms that have occurred since then (in the last century a few new ones, memorializing the victims of the Holocaust, have been added); it's a very long service. After it is over the congregants return home, but they are still fasting and additionally prohibited from a number of comforts ... including reading the Scriptures (because reading God's word brings joy) - except for reading Lamentations, the frightening (not the comforting) passages of Jeremiah, and the Book of Job.

For the afternoon service, which frequently is delayed until just before sundown so that the evening service can commence almost immediately afterwards without anyone having to travel any more, the curtain has been restored, the lights are turned on, and prayer shawls may be worn - but still no cushioned chairs, no shoes. Again some special prayers, including one begging God to comfort and restore Jerusalem to its former glory. The evening service ends the fast, although a few restrictions on amusements persist until the next day.

The Hebrew calendar is so contrived that the Ninth of Av does not fall on a Monday or Wednesday or Friday. And when it falls on a Saturday (the Sabbath) - which seems to happen fairly often, the fast and special services are postponed to commence at sundown Saturday afternoon so the day is observed on a Sunday. This year the Ninth of Av falls on Saturday, July 28th, 2012 (which is to say it would commence on Friday night), but, because it is a Sabbath, the fast and observances of the day are delayed till the end of the Sabbath, at sundown on Saturday afternoon. Thus, observant Jews cannot watch the TV at all for the first day of the Olympics - first because of the Sabbath, then because of the postponed Tisha B'Av. It is not clear how observant the Israeli team is, but out of respect for the people in their homeland, they might skip the opening ceremonies.

The dates for Tisha B'Av in years to come: (These are the days, the fast would begin the night before the date listed. * As mentioned, when Tisha B'Av coincides with a Saturday, the fast and observance is delayed to commence on Saturday night and continue into Sunday)

2012 Sat* July 28_____ 2018 Sat* July 21
2013 Tue July 16_____ 2019 Sat* Aug 10
2014 Tue Aug 5______ 2020 Thu July 30
2015 Sat* July 25_____ 2021 Sun July 18
2016 Sat* Aug 13_____ 2022 Sat* Aug 6
2017 Tue Aug 1______ 2023 Thu July 27
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edit on Jun 20th 2012 by Djarums because: fixed bbcode



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 12:01 AM
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was the 11th of sept 2001 . not one of a few jewish new years dates that they have . something i heard a while ago



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by geobro
was the 11th of sept 2001 . not one of a few jewish new years dates that they have . something i heard a while ago


You have no idea what you are talking about.

In 2001, Sept. 11th was 23rd of Ellul; not a special day. Tisha B'Av had come on Sunday, July 29th. Rosh Hashona would come on Tuesday, Sept. 18th, and Yom Kippur on Thursday, Sept. 27th.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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I guess we better wait and see, if theres fireworks - yay
if theres death - yay too - conspiracy proven.

All in all, we are guaranteed explosions, running people, people swimming, spears thrown, gun shootings, mass gathering, purposely lights out, people lifting heavy stuff etc and its live on TV!



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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So from what you state this year observance begins the evening of the first day of the games rather than during the opening ceremony.
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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by NullVoid
I guess we better wait and see, if theres fireworks - yay
if theres death - yay too - conspiracy proven.

All in all, we are guaranteed explosions, running people, people swimming, spears thrown, gun shootings, mass gathering, purposely lights out, people lifting heavy stuff etc and its live on TV!


It is not a matter of being happy that people get hurt. It is a matter of looking for evidence of what is ruling the world. They fill all media with evidence. Evidence can be found in policy and or planning documents from the CFR and the Rockefeller Foundation. They want people to see it. Few can prove anything. Those few who can are easily dealt with. The conspirators are clearly playing cat and mouse. They have a sense of humor. They know that they cannot be touched. It amuses them to see youthful bravado puffing up with ideas of revolution. The only revolutions that will be are the ones that "they" orchestrate. Who was paying Lenin and Trotsky's bills at the fine hotels in New York City in the days prior to the Revolution?

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posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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This may be my last post, as the thread seems dead.

Just wanted to say that I consider the likelihood of an attack on the XXX Olympics to be low probability.

It seems to me that what is really happening with the event is a mass ritual. The goal is to get as many people to unwittingly participate in the pagan, satanic mass ritual as possible. This event is preparation for a future event.

Perhaps this event is an inauguration of sorts. An annointing. Perhaps someone is symbolically crowned king. For those who have eyes just keep them open.
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