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Originally posted by Danbones
why don't you take the drugs if they are so safe?
Id like you to support your opinion with some ats style referenses that would possible convince an intelligent person your position has merit
the drama queen stuff is so totally lame
Leading biochemical scientists, including University of California at Berkeley retrovirus expert Peter Duesberg and Nobel Prize winner Walter Gilbert, have been warning for years that there is no proof that HIV causes AIDS. The warnings were met first with silence, then with ridicule and contempt. In 1990, for example, Nature published a rare response from the HIV establishment, as represented by Robin A. Weiss of the Institute of Cancer Research in London and Harold W. Jaffe of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. Weiss and Jaffe compared the doubters to people who think that bad air causes malaria. "We have . . . been told," they wrote, "that the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) originates from outer space, or as a genetically engineered virus for germ warfare which was tested in prisoners and spread from them. Peter H. Duesberg's proposition that HIV is not the cause of AIDS at all is, to our minds, equally absurd." Viewers of ABC's 1993 Day One special on the cause of AIDS-almost the only occasion on which network television has covered the controversy-saw Robert Gallo, the leading exponent of the HIV theory, stomp away from the microphone in a rage when asked to respond to the views of Gilbert and Duesberg.
Such displays of rage and ridicule are familiar to those who question the HIV theory of AIDS. Ever since 1984, when Gallo announced the discovery of what the newspapers call "HIV, the virus that causes AIDS," at a government press conference, the HIV theory has been the basis of all scientific work on AIDS. If the theory is mistaken, billions of dollars have been wasted-and immense harm has been done to persons who have tested positive for antibodies to HIV and therefore have been told to expect an early and painful death. The furious reactions to the suggestion that a colossal mistake may have been made are not surprising, given that the credibility of the biomedical establishment is at stake. It is time to think about the unthinkable, however, because there are at least three reasons for doubting the official theory that HIV causes AIDS.
Originally posted by UnlimitedSky
reply to post by neotech1neothink
I am delighted Neotech that you are having a small breakthrough in reaching people that are more willing to think twice about what we have been led to believe.
Star and flag for your bravery! You are so not alone
Originally posted by Danbones
Since there are BILLIONS in funny money at stake over this
I'll put my faith in provable experts and research....
Once again, I ask ANY DENIER to post something from THIS CENTURY (besides experience from South Africa, as halfoldman has completely debunked that garbage). Or go away and quit spouting this DANGEROUS HOAX.
Originally posted by UnlimitedSky
Once again, I ask ANY DENIER to post something from THIS CENTURY (besides experience from South Africa, as halfoldman has completely debunked that garbage). Or go away and quit spouting this DANGEROUS HOAX.
Here you are:
Here you are, click on this text, in case you missed it the first time I posted it.
Calm down, everyone is entitled to their views, regardless of it being different from yours.
Originally posted by lakesidepark
it is simple 'hypotheses' that stand debunked with modern tools and newer research.
No FACTS involved, as it was all theory and hypothesis in 1990.
Originally posted by tucker81
I think people are looking in the wrong direction on an HIV conspiracy. I believe the HIV virus does indeed exist. In my opinion, the HIV virus could have originated in another animal and possibly altered in the laboratory so that it could infect humans. The true conspiracy lies in the likely intentional mismanagement of the outbreak by the CDC and other government organizations whose policies helped the virus spread. A known fact is that people who know they are HIV positive are much less likely to spread the virus than those who do not know their HIV status. Therefore, if there was really a desire to prevent the spread, HIV testing would have been offered free and encouraged as part of a routine yearly physician exam at a time when the virus was spreading rapidly. Also, if many can recall, the mainstream media at the time encouraged the protection of the rights of those HIV positive and government agencies worked to prevent discrimination against those HIV positive, therefore preventing any quaranteen effect which may have limited the spread.