My opinion on UFOs as a research scientist: some are extraterrestrial

Since everyone is sharing their opinion I will do the same.

Do aliens/interdimensional things exist and have been here? Yes

Are they benevolent? yes, because we are still alive, wiping out a poorly advanced species would be a trivial matter for species capable of getting here. No military conflict necessary, chemicals or retro virus would do the trick. Plus, we don't have anything on this planet that can't be found anywhere else except a handful of carbon based species and a ton of assholes.

Do governments know about it? why are they hiding it? Because governments are pretty inept and don't want the population knowing something or somethings can come here and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it, so they don't want the panic, followed by a likely revolution.

Do these things want to talk to us? No, people are assholes, if they did that they know we would try to steal their technology and shoot them with it. We may not be very advanced, but we are advanced enough that a little glitter of off world tech could kick start a new age without society maturing one bit. Which would be bad for them.

Originally posted by ch1n1t0
reply to post by IMSAM

 

Stop parroting and do what you suggest others should - read the f***** thread:

HINT

Also, the guy HAS a PhD and that is easily provable.

On topic: It seems that the OP managed to struck a nerve or several dozen. Seems to me every tool with an Internet connection and awareness of google considers himself a pro researcher, hence all of these insulted egos.

Unfortunately, even for me without having a PhD in plant cellular biology (like the one the OP has), this forum hits me on a daily basis with useless crap, disregarding the 15% (10% of which prior to 2010) of the information that actually is informative.

Next time you guys decide to post a thread about pareidolia images of a giant alien buried on the Moon, gorilla on Mars, SOHO glitches, sonograph "UFO"s,Chinese lanterns and sunlit contrails; think about the following: You have muddied the waters to such an extent that it can hardly be considered water anymore. And some experiencers of the true unknown need to swim in these same waters to find answers.

OP, thanks for your opinion because it does matter one bit more than the average (not because of the fact you have a PhD but because of the thought provoking and fresh way you have written your presentation).

Being a research scientist with PhD doesn't make one Superman in my eyes, it just proves one has observational and analytical skills above the norm which, unfortunately, is a rarity on this forum nowadays.

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A PhD with no experience is worthless!!! and this thread proves to me ( one with experience) he has no experience!

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

What you call gibberish might very well be a gold rich riverbed that you have to pan in order to separate the gibberish form the brilliance.

That does take an open mind along with patience to put forth the effort to do so. Letting your brains fall out can work both ways keep in mind. One way is the mind can be too open allowing a person to fall for anything and the other is the mind being too closed to the point that the mind implodes from the lack of an atmosphere of original thought and stimulus creating a vacuum around it.

Given that I have been looking at this stuff for so long that I even wrote a letter to Dr. Werner von Braun in the mid 60's to get his take on the UFO phenomenon, I think I'm entitled to call Shenanigans! when I see them.

But, hey...fill yer boots!

Originally posted by r2d246
Some of the UFo sightings are simply demons moving abouts doing there work.

This excuse is quickly becoming my least favorite and annoying type of post. One sentence, no back-up info, nothing. And please check your SPELLING. Abouts? Like ATS didn't automatically put a huge red underscore under that word?

CRICKETS. CRICKETS. CRICKETS.

reply to post by LastProphet527


For some reason, your meandering, goofy post had me singing the Giligan's Island theme song in my head. Was that your intent? Are you controlling my mind? Do you know what I am smelling right now?

Crazy is as crazy does........

Originally posted by flashtrum
reply to post by LastProphet527

 

For some reason, your meandering, goofy post had me singing the Giligan's Island theme song in my head. Was that your intent? Are you controlling my mind? Do you know what I am smelling right now?

Crazy is as crazy does........

yes im controlling your mind, so please take that burgundy carpet out the house ,and that stautue of that frog is not really kool,or astray,or...whatever that is in your living room.

Originally posted by flashtrum
reply to post by LastProphet527

 

For some reason, your meandering, goofy post had me singing the Giligan's Island theme song in my head. Was that your intent? Are you controlling my mind? Do you know what I am smelling right now?

Crazy is as crazy does........

Let's not forget the Bilderberg have apparently grown tired of Obama and appear to have thrown their hat (and financial weight) towards Romney.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Did you write that on another thread?

If you did, you then are king of api.ning.com... smelling your own standing atop what you write.

I'll leave you with this song, Mary Ann.

Maybe you're a Gilligan, who knows. You spelled Gilligan with only one "l" after all so you're no professor.

Unfortunately,
Your conclusions in major areas make 'hands on' witnesses, complete and utter liars, in every respect. In that case you need to address those particular witnesses statements as lies individually, otherwise your thesis, (I presume that's what it is) simply cannot work.

Originally posted by smurfy
Unfortunately,
Your conclusions in major areas make 'hands on' witnesses, complete and utter liars, in every respect. In that case you need to address those particular witnesses statements as lies individually, otherwise your thesis, (I presume that's what it is) simply cannot work.

That's precisely what most PhD's do! Dismiss the first hand experiencer!

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool

Originally posted by flashtrum
reply to post by LastProphet527

 

For some reason, your meandering, goofy post had me singing the Giligan's Island theme song in my head. Was that your intent? Are you controlling my mind? Do you know what I am smelling right now?

Crazy is as crazy does........

Maybe you're a Gilligan, who knows. You spelled Gilligan with only one "l" after all so you're no professor.

Applause! Very witty. You are right I am no professor. Actually because I can't stop drinking coke I'm getting to look more like the Skipper. I need to go now. Have to cut another hole in my belt.

Thanks for the laugh!

The whole UFO area is both interesting and confusing. First you have those in power who want to discredit anyone who even broches the subject. And the evidence at best is spotty. Somehow I think that unless one of these ships decides to land in a major mall the subject will continue to be one of contraversy. Personnaly I have never seen anything that would come close to qualifying as a ufo. But from the sightings that have occurred over thousands of years no one has every come up with the smoking gun which leaves the matter in the same place it began as a mystery.

What a big stroke off.

"Researcher"

"Scientist"

"Overly inflated ego who likes to think they are doing something really important as they masturbate away at their computer screen"

All the same.

Hey Professor, don't sit us all in the lecture theatre and then run off...

I don't understand the hostility directed at the OP. He offered his opinion based on his personal investigation. He never claimed he had proof. He never angled or implied that he would subsequently provide mountains of evidence. What he did do was give his background, his academic credentials (which, regardless of field, at least speak to his ability to sort/classify and process information) and then he offered his assessment of the situation from his perspective.

He delivered as advertised and his post stands as delivered. I am puzzled as to the many demands for further proof and insight...

Originally posted by celerygeneral
What a big stroke off.

"Researcher"

"Scientist"

"Overly inflated ego who likes to think they are doing something really important as they masturbate away at their computer screen"

All the same.

Nonsense. All part of a scary movement to disparage intellectuals. What is this, the 50's? Gonna start calling them 'eggheads' again? I call that the "Politics of Stoopid"

And what part of "opinion" has you confused?

reply to post by Vandelay Industries


Unfortunately, the quandary as exemplified in your comment is paramount and self-fulfilling:

Until scientists like me get the guts to tell others (I dare not if I want to get tenure), the phenomenon will remain ‘paranormal’; being lumped with ghosts, god, and other things that go “bump in the night”.

Apparently, even you do not have 'the guts' to tell others -as you really haven't told us anything. Some intriguing conjecture on the phenomenon, on what should or should not be considered empirical, etc., but really nothing of substance.

Please Sir/Ma'am Vandelay: Cough it up! What have you got? The only difference I see between your post and many others is a bit more eloquent, erudite composition - but really not much of substance.

Sure, you're an educated, thought-provoked, curious individual. Just like the rest of us. You have an opinion, which you very clearly described for us. But it's just an opinion. An opinion about facts and fact-finding. Interestingly, there were practically NO such facts present in your treatise.

Do you have any facts you can share?

Thank you for your opinion, by the way. I don't mean this as criticism, merely was hoping for a bit more than a well-written op-ed piece.

Keep up the good work, though. And keep looking up...

reply to post by Vandelay Industries


makes sense to me mate, 99.9% agree

I think this shows that governments do know something of the extraterrestrials. and i think its like waving a white flag so to speak. we are here just here going about our own business, we are explorers and we are neutral.
or something like that.

World's space programs share the Vector symbol....why?

Originally posted by Overload

I find it curious that MOST of the world's space programs share the vector or chevron logo.

This has been brought up in the movie "Rising Moon" as well. I would like to further dissect this issue as the movie did not give any answers. Here is the symbol by its self.


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/02c2d5d7e1bc.jpg[/atsimg]


Lets take a look....

NASA (in red)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0fd67f5764b9.png[/atsimg]

Canada

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b7ccf927ec32.jpg [/atsimg]

Iran

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/bb1cb51d31d5.jpg[/atsimg]

Russia

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d708e5835553.jpg[/atsimg]

Chinese

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/51deb29edfae.png[/atsimg]
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/557262945a7d.jpg[/atsimg]

Japan

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1b5f2938327a.jpg[/atsimg]

South Korea

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fb1ab334e66e.jpg[/atsimg]

Taiwan

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/decf1cd65f6e.jpg[/atsimg]

Malaysia

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2b1a0e950e6f.jpg[/atsimg]

Bulgaria

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ee95df7c8e60.jpg[/atsimg]

Mexico

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2662de5cfece.jpg[/atsimg]


It doesn't stop there...lets look at aerospace building companies and others....

Lockheed Martin

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/70305a8e77bc.jpg[/atsimg]

Ames Research

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ab99199e6c96.gif[/atsimg]

Air Force Space Command

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/dd9dedc5d8dc.png[/atsimg]

Air Force Research

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7a40dc9870aa.jpg[/atsimg]



There are many other branches of our government and world government(Dealing with space) that share this logo.

I will not make a leap of faith and call it this or that, but you have to admit that for ALL the worlds space programs to have this logo seems to be more than just a coincidence.

Nasa's official explanation of the vector deals with the swept wing design in aeronautics and was created in 1959, which is fine, but why did the rest of the world and aeronautic companies adopt this logo as well. Is there more than what NASA is telling us??

Is this all coincidence ?

love and harmony
Whateva

It is rare to see a genuine scientist, defending science from the pseudoskeptics. It is always valuable when it occurs.

I am also a published scientific researcher, and based on the data, I disagree with you.

I believe in UFOs. There is little doubt that many occurrences throughout history involving flying machines cannot be explained by common scientific knowledge. However, I don't believe there is sufficient evidence of an extraterrestrial origin. Furthermore, since you seem a bit better-versed in data analysis than the average cell biologist (I've never known one that applies the concept of signal-to-noise even remotely correctly), let's use Occam's Razor as it was meant to be used.

Fair assumptions:
-Advanced extraterrestrial life is capable of FTL communication and travel.
-Advanced extraterrestrial life monitors points of interest with FTL comm beacons.

In order for ETs to visit, they would need to know that we exist. In other words, we would need the following assumption also:
-Advanced extraterrestrial life has spent millions of years scouring planets for life, and left an FTL beacon on, near, or within a few light-years from earth. (We have been broadcasting radiofrequency data for ~ 100 years, a similar timeframe to UFO sightings.)

The only assumptions needed for an earthly explanation would be the following:
-Earth's governments have use for advanced technologies
-Earth's governments have the resources to develop said advanced technologies
-Earth's governments have the motive and resources to keep said technologies top-secret.

Occam's Razor suggests we select the less constrained set of assumptions. Let each of us select our own option.