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Originally posted by schuyler
The Old Testament is full of people killing each other. God also participated. There's the story of the tribe that wanted to marry the eligible Jewish women. They said, sure but you must be circumcised first. So the men of the tribe submitted to circumcision and, of course, needed some recovery time, which was when all the Jewish men slew the people of the village. Then there's Sodom and Gomorrah. After God destroyed the cities Lot's daughters got him drunk and had sex with him. Pretty rowdy bunch.
In seminaries one the favorite sayings is, "The New Testament, in which God is in a much better mood."edit on 6/10/2012 by schuyler because: (no reason given)
what holds God from discussion with you?
Originally posted by Jordan River
I wanted to look at one observation about Judaism that does not get brought up much. Also, everything else in between. Moses killed a man, and God still had a working communicated relationship with him as well. This speaks much volume, and also having created the ten commandments≥,.... I just wanted an open discussion on this. The bible does not give his input on asking forgiveness nor is their any mention, i'm sure he did (moses). So i was thinking about a few things.
First, you can kill a man and still talk to God (real communication) not some spiritual,mystical, coincidental situation.
I am not saying, go kill people either
Many of the stories of blood shed happen afterwards with Jacob, all tribal warfare.
So basically, how do you get to God, if your sins are washed by J.C, with repentance and strong forgiveness, what holds God from discussion with you?
Probably His time, His moment, not a lot, i've talked and discuss with God, but it was more of a prayer intuitive. I guess this is more ranting of a lonely heart
Lol, they were the enemies of Israel. It was wise to trick them into circumcision so that in the weakness of their recovery they would be much easier to be defeated. That's simply wise tactics.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Jordan River
Moses looked forward in time to a coming Messiah in the same manner we look back in time to a Messiah who came. The law was NEVER given to mam to make them holy or righteous. Man was given the law to show them how Holy and perfect God was, the intended secondary result of that was for people to acknowledge their hopelessness and need for a Savior. Moses killed, David killed, Sampson killed, Joshua killed, Saul killed and on and on and on. This should comfort people that no matter how serious their sins may be that God will forgive the person who humbles themselves and asks for forgiveness. And not only forgiveness, but God will still use someone who has been redeemed, it's a better testimony than when a "good" person gets redeemed.