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How The United States Was Destroyed.

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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 12:16 AM
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It just takes time.

I will be waiting. Do you have enough time though? Its gonna take one heck of a correction and a whole lot of time to fix that National Debt. Especially when the BRICS look like taking the Reserve Currency Status away from you. Then there is the matter of the humiliating Credit Downgrade. How do you restore your Credit Rating when there are no solutions?

The world will not wait. We will all be investing with the BRICS while you guys procrastinate.

Do you really think the world will wait forever?




posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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It just takes time.

I will be waiting. Do you have enough time though? Its gonna take one heck of a correction and a whole lot of time to fix that National Debt. Especially when the BRICS look like taking the Reserve Currency Status away from you. Then there is the matter of the humiliating Credit Downgrade. How do you restore your Credit Rating when there are no solutions?

The world will not wait. We will all be investing with the BRICS while you guys procrastinate.

Do you really think the world will wait forever?


They may have to. You talk much of the BRIC's. Yet China has leveraged itself against the Euro and the dollar and is in a more precarious position than most are aware of.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by OpinionatedB
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its all your fault beezer... stop trying to cover and deny...



Alright.

My bad. Mea Culpa.

All better now?



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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Privatization is not austerity. Privatazation helps cause austerity. Did you even read that?
 

I said that what the hell did you read?


And how did the United States get out of The Great Depression? How? The only proven road to recovery my [SNIP] 


With inflation by charging up the national credit card so to speak and plunging us into trillions of dollars of debt which is why we're in the situation were are today. Technically we never got out of the depression we just postponed having to pay the bills for 80 years and now those chickens are coming home to roost!


You spout absolute nonsense. 


I spout absolute historical facts!


The health of a nation is paramount. selling off public utlities is selling off public wealth. Is that so hard for you to understand?
 

The health of the people is paramount. Have a healthy free people and you will have a healthy free nation! Americas utility companies are technically privately owned already, the government cannot sell them off however they have intervened in their markets and given their politically connected cronies markets with no competition so they can gouge the people.


And you argue against yourself. "supposedly privatized". The Government is corporatist if you had not noticed. Of course they create regulations and an environment for their corporate buddies to succeed. It is crony capitalism.
 

I am for freedom for all! I explained how it works read and learn instead of spouting incorrect emotional rhetoric.


And do you have any idea what austerity entails? It is explained quite clearly above. Austerity is no solution. Austerity will hurt you, not just the very poor. 


Of course I do for some reason you seem to think people could not get by without a nanny government robbing people of the fruits of their labors to give to others who did not earn it. Small government built the most prosperous freest nation on earth it was when it was abandoned with the Federal Reserve act in 1913 that shortly after was the worst depression in history. To abandon the blueprint that made America great in favor of some convoluted bastardized unproven thoery of socialism is just plain stupid


I will thinkabout you when the world openly turn on America  I will think about you when you lose sovereignty and the american people are forever enslaved by the corporaitists and bankers.


To late we already are, it happened in 1913 and its been down hill ever since. The illusion of prosperity after that was built on credit greed corruption and ignorance of the people and we are paying the price for it now. Your solution seems to be to look to the government nanny state to take care of people which makes no sense because they are the ones who have caused all this and got us into this situation.

Maximum freedom is the only answer it is proven in the short time it was able to flourish in history. Every other system of socialism/corporatism/communism/fascism has failed miserably why in the world would people want more of it? Why in the world would people look to government when they have led us to disaster? Do you think getting different people in government will make any difference? History has proven power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely! It's time for people to take responsibility for themselves and throw off government and return to freedom and prosperity!



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 12:54 AM
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Run the evil corporations!

Run the evil corporations!!

Same recycled rhetoric that Americans have heard for over 100 years. Over and over agian dfferent day different thread, and by those who think communism,socialism, and marxism rocks!!!!!

How the United states was destroyed?

Was when people started to beleive that government is the answer to all their woes.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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You sound like a neoamerican.

You got through The Great Depression with Public Works projects and introducing public programs. Government got you through it. Government.

And socialism is not unproven. Germany is not 'socialist' in a strict sense but they have an efficient government and run their country much better than America.

Why do you Americans go on so much about capitalism making America so great? You were run of the mill before WW2. nothing special. You swooped in at the right time of the war and took the spoils which included the Reserve Currency Status. You were no big deal before the Reserve Status and you will be no big deal after you lose it.

Your beloved constitution and your Founding Fathers have nothing to do with Americas superpower status. nothing. WW2. WW2. WW2.

And guess what? the world was not exactly a hell hole before the United States threw a hissy fit and broke from England. You guys did not save the world. You guys did not invent freedom or liberty.

And since my thread is about corporatists and you are indirectly defending them, maybe you should have a read about what your Founding Fathers thought about incorporation. They were basically communists. You should know your own history.
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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
Run the evil corporations!

Run the evil corporations!!

Same recycled rhetoric that Americans have heard for over 100 years. Over and over agian dfferent day different thread, and by those who think communism,socialism, and marxism rocks!!!!!

How the United states was destroyed?

Was when people started to beleive that government is the answer to all their woes.


The dollar relies on how a nation runs itself. Americans have the luxury of having the Reserve Currency so you can cheat, but not forever.

A government cant survive on tax revenue alone. It must generate wealth. That is why public utilities are important. The government should also be able to generate wealth from its resources instead of making billionaire out of a few Oil and Mining guys. Corporatists are raping our countries. We are letting them.

Governments must ensure that economies are run well and that national interests are protected.

Look at State Capitalism. China has come from nowhere and improved the lives of its people.

America under corporatism had all the cards but still failed.

China proves that pure capitalism is just plain stupid.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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You got through The Great Depression with Public Works projects and introducing public programs. Government got you through it. Government. 

No government prolonged it by not letting the bad debt clear out and creating inflation that led to our downfall today.

And socialism is not unproven. Germany is not 'socialist' in a strict sense but they have an efficient government and run their country much better than America.
 
Right which is why their monetary system is on the verge of collapse and they are scrambling to try and figure out how to fix it... Sigh!


Why do you Americans go on so much about capitalism making America so great? You were run of the mill before WW2. nothing special. You swooped in at the right time of the war and took the spoils which included the Reserve Currency Status. You were no big deal before the Reserve Status and you will be no big deal after you lose it.
 
We were the freest most prosperous nation on earth despite our problems. We swooped in at the right time of the war to Save Europe's ass from Nazi Domination. I have not mentioned capitalism.


Your beloved constitution and your Founding Fathers have nothing to do with Americas superpower status. nothing. WW2. WW2. WW2. 

It was the base that created the most prosperous free hard working nation on earth that was able to mobilize and kick Germany Italy and Japans ass! To say it had nothing to do with our super power status is the height of ignorance! Had we not had the culture of freedom and prosperity built on the foundations of the constitution and the bill of right we might have left Europe to become Nazi Europe


And guess what? the world was not exactly a hell hole before the United States threw a hissy fit and broke from England. You guys did not save the world. You guys did not invent freedom or liberty.
 
No one said we invented freedom but yes the world was pretty much a feudal hell hole before America and America was a major leap forward from the brutal dictatorships of of the past that oppressed the people for centuries. Threw a hissy fit? Yeah I guess spending 20 years just pleading with England to honor her charters with the colonies before finally throwing off the yoke of oppression was just a hissy fit... Sigh!



And since my thread is about corporatists and you are inderectly defending them, maybe you should have a read about what your Founding Fathers thought about incorporation. They were basically communists. You should know your own history.

Wow a truer example of ignorance would be hard to find.. Sounds to me like you are just getting emotional as your arguments fail and you degrade to just spouting complete non sense. The founding fathers of America communist? I don't think I have heard that one before.
Perhaps you should read the American Bill of Rights some time... The founding fathers were mostly libertarian except a few were monarchist to some degree... Wow!

I am not defending corporatist and I think corporations should be banned they are nothing but government sanction for companies to limit their liability if they harm someone. That is wrong on my book all individuals should be held accountable for their actions or the actions of their company period they would be less likely to do harm if that were so.

You clearly are getting desperate perhaps take a break start again when refreshed...



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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Im not really getting into the thread but i had to post that your arrogance is amazing if you really think america could never be destroyed. Every get nation on earth has eventually lost its dominance.

The wayisee it america came to be a superpower because of a world war where it was forced to enter.
It will see its lost of power by a world war it has started. And there is plenty of evidence to show that america loves war.Its just a question of time.

Look at the British Empire the greatest of all time but the major cost of two world wars fought right at its boarders in such a small period of time, even with the help of its great colonies and the great commonwealth countries knocked it out of place as top dog.
America will be next it is inevitable

Originally posted by hawkiye
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You got through The Great Depression with Public Works projects and introducing public programs. Government got you through it. Government.

No government prolonged it by not letting the bad debt clear out and creating inflation that led to our downfall today.

And socialism is not unproven. Germany is not 'socialist' in a strict sense but they have an efficient government and run their country much better than America.

Right which is why their monetary system is on the verge of collapse and they are scrambling to try and figure out how to fix it... Sigh!

We were the freest most prosperous nation on earth despite our problems. We swooped in at the right time of the war to Save Europe's ass from Nazi Domination. I have not mentioned capitalism.


Your beloved constitution and your Founding Fathers have nothing to do with Americas superpower status. nothing. WW2. WW2. WW2.

It was the base that created the most prosperous free hard working nation on earth that was able to mobilize and kick Germany Italy and Japans ass! To say it had nothing to do with our super power status is the height of ignorance! Had we not had the culture of freedom and prosperity built on the foundations of the constitution and the bill of right we might have left Europe to become Nazi Europe


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Wow i think your ignorance about history destroys your argument. You became a superpower after WW2 because you didn't bother to join the FIGHT untill you were forced to.
and after pearl harbour you didn't have to worry about constant attacks at home. Also history shows it is more liely we would have most of eastern europe belonging to the russians then the nazis.

ON TOPIC: Sorry OP socialist is a horrible idea there is no historical evidence to back it up. And there are countless of essays written by people a hell of alot smarter then you or I to show why a socialist government falls flat on its face faster then most others.
Hell theres more evidence to support anarchism as a more successful form of society.
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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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No government prolonged it by not letting the bad debt clear out and creating inflation that led to our downfall today.


That is wrong. Gaining the Reserve Currency after WW2 and assuming the place at the top of the food chain gave America every luxury in the world. WW2 was after/during the Great depression remember? sigh



Right which is why their monetary system is on the verge of collapse and they are scrambling to try and figure out how to fix it... Sigh!


You do not understand the EU too well at all do you? germany is the srtongest economy in Europe. They are the ones holding it together in many ways. sigh




We were the freest most prosperous nation on earth despite our problems. We swooped in at the right time of the war to Save Europe's ass from Nazi Domination. I have not mentioned capitalism.


Capitalism is the topic. Its why we are talking. Of course you mentioned it. And ask an African American how free they were pre-WW2. And you didnt even have the Reserve Status. It was the Stirling. America was no big deal. You are full of propaganda. sigh




It was the base that created the most prosperous free hard working nation on earth that was able to mobilize and kick Germany Italy and Japans ass! To say it had nothing to do with our super power status is the height of ignorance! Had we not had the culture of freedom and prosperity built on the foundations of the constitution and the bill of right we might have left Europe to become Nazi Europe


What was the decisive victory in WW2? Stalingrad. Stalingrad. The Russians won WW2. Do not kid yourself. And America won nothing. It was an allied victory. Also, the American public was not in favour of entering the war until America was attacked. so please do not make up stories about America saving us from the nazi. You guys sat back and didnt care. It was only when attacked that you entered. sigh




No one said we invented freedom but yes the world was pretty much a feudal hell hole before America and America was a major leap forward from the brutal dictatorships of of the past that oppressed the people for centuries. Threw a hissy fit? Yeah I guess spending 20 years just pleading with England to honor her charters with the colonies before finally throwing off the yoke of oppression was just a hissy fit... Sigh!


Yeah right. A bunch of slave owners that ran around shooting Native Americans and buffalo. Such a leap forward for the world
Worked out so well you guys were at Civil War in no time flat hey? sigh




Wow a truer example of ignorance would be hard to find.. Sounds to me like you are just getting emotional as your arguments fail and you degrade to just spouting complete non sense. The founding fathers of America communist? I don't think I have heard that one before. Perhaps you should read the American Bill of Rights some time... The founding fathers were mostly libertarian except a few were monarchist to some degree... Wow!


So you do not know your own history? And I bet you refuse to use google and actually see for yourself what your Founding Fathers thought of incorporation. Oh well. sigh

And you do defend corporatism. Capitalism is corporatism. Always has been. Why do you think your Founding Fathers were so worried about it? sigh




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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by Bixxi3
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Im not really getting into the thread but i had to post that your arrogance is amazing if you really think america could never be destroyed. Every get nation on earth has eventually lost its dominance.

The wayisee it america came to be a superpower because of a world war where it was forced to enter.
It will see its lost of power by a world war it has started. And there is plenty of evidence to show that america loves war.Its just a question of time.

Look at the British Empire the greatest of all time but the major cost of two world wars fought right at its boarders in such a small period of time, even with the help of its great colonies and the great commonwealth countries knocked it out of place as top dog.
America will be next it is inevitable



Arrogance.


Who said anything about a superpower?

I'm talking about free market system, a Constitutional republic, freedom, individuality.
(are you reeelly sure you read my post?)



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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Well we couldn't just let the flimsy Euro overtake
The United States Dollar now could we?

The Economy of Greece is a failsafe device.

Continuity of Bailouts =Fail
Postponement or diversion = Fail

Enjoy the Bonfire and Rock N Roll


P.S. Just wait to you see what I have
in store for the yuan and renmimbi

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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 03:10 AM
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That is wrong. Gaining the Reserve Currency after WW2 and assuming the place at the top of the food chain gave America every luxury in the world. WW2 was after/during the Great depression remember? sigh 

Maybe you'd care to provide some evidence for that non-sense? The Bretton Woods agreement in 1944 was the first world wide monetary financial agreement however that was not because we won WWII for it was still raging at the time that was in the works long before then.


You do not understand the EU too well at all do you? germany is the srtongest economy in Europe. They are the ones holding it together in many ways. sigh 

And it is still on the verge of failing just like all the rest! if you think Germany or any western country will weather the storm of the failing keynesian fiat monetary systems they all have you are completely clueless;

FRANKFURT  - As one eurozone country after the next succumbs to the fevers of the debt crisis, Germany -- the region's biggest -- seems so far to have remained largely immune. However, the latest data suggest that the robustness of the German economy could now also be faltering, even as the Bundesbank continues to give it a clean bill of health.All of the key economic data last week surprised to the downside. 
www.nation.com.pk...






What was the decisive victory in WW2? Stalingrad. Stalingrad. The Russians won WW2. Do not kid yourself. And America won nothing. It was an allied victory. Also, the American public was not in favour of entering the war until America was attacked. so please do not make up stories about America saving us from the nazi. You guys sat back and didnt care. It was only when attacked that you entered. sigh 

Wow such revisionist history...Sigh Stalingrad was a decisive victory indeed but was not the only one. The reason the Russians did so well was because Hitler opened up more then one front and then had the US to deal with also and spread himself to thin until then he was kicking the Russians ass and Europes too and came dangerously close to winning that war until we stepped in. Here are the major decisive battles of WWII:

D day
The Battle of Britain
The Battle of Midway
The Battle of Stalingrad
The Battle of El Alamein
The Battle of Kursk
The Battle of Monte Cassino
Operation Overlord
The Battle of the Bulge
The Battle of Iwo Jima
The Battle of Berlin




Yeah right. A bunch of slave owners that ran around shooting Native Americans and buffalo. Such a leap forward for the world  Worked out so well you guys were at Civil War in no time flat hey? sigh
 
You really should not rely on TV and movies for American history. Less the 3% of Americans ever owned slaves in the entire history of slavery. And most people who fought with Native Americans were not slave owners. What was done to Native Americans was wrong no doubt. No one said we were perfect however the American constitution set the bar for freedom and was a major leap forward from the feudal systems of Europe were everyone was a slave to the monarch (and black slaves who were in Europe also) and was a goal to strive for. We still have not reached the pinnacle and now have regressed however it is still the foundation of freedom and American prosperity and most nations of Europe have adopted some aspects of it. We came closest after the civil war up till 1913 then the banking cartels won a major battle they had been fighting for decades and got he Federal reserve act passed. This was long before WWII and that was the beginning of the reserve currency! we still made progress since then in some areas despite the banking cartels like in civil rights.


And you do defend corporatism. Capitalism is corporatism. Always has been. Why do you think your Founding Fathers were so worries about it? sigh

Wow I just got through saying incorporation should be banned...sigh! Capitalism has nothing to do with corporatism! Capitalism is where the people determine what businesses are worthy to exist by the quality of their product or service with their wallets, government does not intervene in the market nor does it protect or bail out cronies. see my thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have studied American history for many years far more then you and most. you should stop relying on Internet and media propaganda. The founding fathers were wary of incorporation for good reason yet they failed to ban it completely which left the door open for it. They were not perfect either.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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Excellent Work.
Solid Intelligence.

The Third Line.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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Atlas Shrugged has a twist that is not contained within the story. Galt is Lord Rothschild. behind the scenes he pulls all of the strings and causes all of the problems that he later swoops in to solve and thereby creates for himself a hero persona. Rand was a chew toy for one of the Rothschilds and based Galt upon him. True story.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 03:44 AM
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The U.S never had a chance...... It was formed from the break off from England. So maybe America won the first round with the revolutionary war but England isn't controlled by itself anyway. And if the people who pull the strings ever lose a battle they use a different strategy usually by manipulation and stealth....

America was infiltrated by the New World Order agenda many years ago. That is how the United States was/is continually being destroyed.

F*ck Rothschild, Rockefeller Tyranny........



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 03:53 AM
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Yeah right. A bunch of slave owners that ran around shooting Native Americans and buffalo. Such a leap forward for the world
Worked out so well you guys were at Civil War in no time flat hey? sigh


White peope did not go into the heart of Afric and drag Africans down to the ships kicking and screeming. Other black tribes did that FOR PROFIT.

Before the white man came to America the natives had for thousands of years been making war on each other; eating each other, murdering each other in every horrible way known.

Then the white man came. The fake wars happened; the US brought the top NAZIs to the US and gave them black projects; now we are about to see the fruit of all of this stupidity wrought by man.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 05:05 AM
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Maybe you'd care to provide some evidence for that non-sense? The Bretton Woods agreement in 1944 was the first world wide monetary financial agreement however that was not because we won WWII for it was still raging at the time that was in the works long before then.


A Senior Official of the Bank of England commented: One of the reasons Bretton Woods worked was that the US was clearly the most powerful country at the table and so ultimately was able to impose its will on the others, including an often-dismayed Britain. At the time, one senior official at the Bank of England described the deal reached at Bretton Woods as “the greatest blow to Britain next to the war”, largely because it underlined the way in which financial power had moved from the UK to the US.

en.wikipedia.org...

Before 1944, the world reference currency was the Pound Sterling. After World War II, the international financial system was governed by a formal agreement, the Bretton Woods System. Under this system the United States dollar was placed deliberately as the anchor of the system, with the US government guaranteeing other central banks that they could sell their US dollar reserves at a fixed rate for gold.

en.wikipedia.org...

The key words there are "after WW2". Did you get that? Understand now?




Wow such revisionist history...Sigh Stalingrad was a decisive victory indeed but was not the only one. The reason the Russians did so well was because Hitler opened up more then one front and then had the US to deal with also and spread himself to thin until then he was kicking the Russians ass and Europes too and came dangerously close to winning that war until we stepped in. Here are the major decisive battles of WWII:


saying "sigh" when you are wrong does not make you correct. And that is the most ludicrous version of WW2 that I have ever heard. America saved nobody. They sat back,then swooped in. Of course they helped. Helped. They won nothing. America is not some saviour. And what do you even mean "Europe too"??? You dont seem to understand what happened. It sounds like you read a comic on the subject or something.




No one said we were perfect however the American constitution set the bar for freedom and was a major leap forward from the feudal systems of Europe were everyone was a slave to the monarch


Wrong. The Romans amongst many others had a republic long before you guys. Your grasp of history is shocking. And the Constitution is nothing special. Notice the rest of the world could not care less about it? If its so great why havent we all adopted it? Because we dont think much of it. Americans only go on about it because they are parrots that are filled with propaganda.




Wow I just got through saying incorporation should be banned...sigh! Capitalism has nothing to do with corporatism!


Of course corpoatism is capitalism. Read The Iron Heel. Jack London wrote it over 100 years ago. It is about capitalist 'Trust Monopolies'/corporations. Go back to mercentilism and take a look at the corporations. Go back to Rome. Corporations are a part of capitalism. They are one and the same.

You cheer for your own demise and you dont even know.

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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 05:08 AM
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Germanics ,though I will disagree with you over many issues,you do bring thought provoking points.



could you provide a link for The iron Heel .Preferably 4shared or something.
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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
Germanics ,though I will disagree with you over many issues,you do bring thought provoking points.



could you provide a link for The iron Heel .Preferably 4shared or something.
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Hey man. Dont feel bad. Not many people ever agree with me all that much

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.online-literature.com...

Its a great book. Be careful though. It could turn you socialist or something.
Jack London was awesome. I like White Fang too. 'To build A Fire'. is a great Jack London short story.

But yeah,The Iron Heel is awesome. First dystopian novel.



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