How The United States Was Destroyed.

The corporatists have used the same model that was used to destroy Greece. The similarities are striking.

A summary of the Greek crisis and people's attitude

Contrary to what you may believe, Greece is quite a wealthy country, considering it's wealth (private+state assets over 2 trillion euros) and low population (11 million). However, since the aftermath of WW2, it is also a country which has been exclusively controlled by the west, through puppet governments.

He means controlled by the United States Corporatists.

These puppet governments, and especially those who reigned from 1981 to 1993, took the debt from 25% and skyrocketed it to 115% relative to the GDP. They also de-industrialized the country, enlarged the public sector and generally cultivated a culture of corruption.

Sound familiar?

However, the main problem was the huge debt. Also worthy of mention was the looting of pension funds - insuring that the state will have the pay for this missing money in the future (cost: hundreds of billions of euros). Looting of the pension funds took place in the 80s, 90s and 2000s through various forms like forcing the pension funds to deposit their money with 0% interest (!) when inflation was running at 20-25% rates, buying stocks when the stock market was at high levels (consequently losing a lot of money), toxic bonds etc.

Huge debt. Looting of pension funds. The US owes a massive chunk of its National Debt to itself because they have looted pension funds. More parrallels...

In the 90s, the puppet governments started privatizing state wealth either wholly or through the stock market. This includes most prior state monopolies like banks, the telco, the energy company, water companies, gambling company / casinos, refineries, gold mines, postal service, airways, roads etc.

Unlike Europeans,you Americans seem to cheer for privatization and lose of public utilities. Most anyway. Cheering for loss of public assets is akin to cheering for your own demise. You will see.....

the enlargement of the public sector was blamed as THE cause of the economic failure and thus the solution was presented in the form of government shrinking. While government size was a very large problem due to their expenses, it was not the non productive office employees who got sacked, it was the profitable state companies which were privatized by using this social consensus. And thus the government had even less income to pay the ever increasing number of public sector employees .

Incompetence? Or design?

Anyway, the debt situation was further escalated by the reduction of corporate taxes (it led to over 40 bn euros in losses these last 10 years) and the non-utilization of natural resources like oil, gas, precious metals, industrial metals etc which are worth hundreds of billions of euros.

Now what do the American Corporatists offer as a solution? Lowering the Corporate Tax Rate. Are these 'job creators' freaking serious? Many Americans seem to agree with them. And does the United States make use of its natural resources to steady the ship? No. Hmm....

These assets would ensure positive budgets (and debt repayment) however, the governments, being controlled from the globalists, did not touch those assets so as to be used for later - when increased debt is accrued and becomes non-viable. Then, these assets can be used as "repayment". It's an economic slavery condition.

Another thing that Greeks share with the people of the United States.

Most Greeks do not understand this whole picture.

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I think more Greeks understand what has happened than americans. I know people are busy and you have the capitalist MSM telling you lies but still. Is it that hard?

Now the United States is a mess. It is the fault of the American people? It is pathetic that so few of us seem to have any sympathy for the Greeks. Its pretty obvious the people in the United States will be in the same situation as Greece. The 'International Community' will turn on the american people. International media will have a field day. They call the Greeks lazy, imagine what will be said about the people of the United States. The media will talk about them as if they are a nation of ignorant, obese, egocentric, moochers that have been living the high life at the expense of the rest of us for years. Now that will not be entirely fair. It is not the fault of the American people. The american people have been shafted just like the Greeks.

So, it might be an idea to not lower the 'cororate tax rate'. Instead of Americans blaming themselves, maybe they should blame the right people. Instead of us all turning on the american people, maybe we should blame the right people.

Austerity for the people and lowered 'corporate tax' are not solutions. It is about time we all stopped nodding our heads at corporatists and started thinking for ourselves. The corporatists are not our friends. The corporatists do not know best. We can find our own solutions and solve the problems that these 'job creators' have created.

reply to post by Germanicus

Is it any different to what has happened in your or my country though?

British Rail
British Gas
British Coal
British Nuclear Energy
British Airways
British Petroleum

Just a bunch of "companies" I can remember from my time there. Most have either been privatised or outsourced now though. Through a bunch of progressive policies lauded as having the public's interests at heart, the national treasures were sold off to capitalists who conquered the market, raised prices and operated the companies for all they could get.

The greed of a shady few got us to where we are today.

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


I am from Australia. Its the same here. In the 80s the public had great assets. They have all been sold off. We are in a better situation than most western nations but it is only because we are being propped up by China. We are a ticking time bomb for many reasons.
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so the simple solutions to solve americas problems would be to ban all corporations....... remove them all from every town and city...

That might actually work... leaving huge voids and starting many small buisness's

reply to post by Germanicus

Unlike Europeans,you Americans seem to cheer for privatization and lose of public utilities. Most anyway. Cheering for lose of public assets is akin to cheering for your own demise. You will see.....

Those of us who are for privatization have nothing in common with what you are describing. We are talking about in a free market environment without government intervention and cronyism Where companies succeed or fail on their own merits without government protection or bailouts etc.. The so called privatization you are talking about is a result of government intervention and force. etc. Its not really privatization it is fascism/corporatism as these so called corps it is turned over to are the politically connected/protected by/or part of government etc.

Originally posted by Doalrite
so the simple solutions to solve americas problems would be to ban all corporations....... remove them all from every town and city...

That might actually work... leaving huge voids and starting many small buisness's

Yeah. There is a heap that can be done. Public Works programs and cutting Financial Aid. Cutting military spending and defending the borders. More efficient government.

But like you said. The corporations monopolize markets and remove opportunity for Small Business. Government Regulations also favour the corporatist. There is alot that can be done. We can limit Market Share of corporations. We can address Consumer Rights and pass legislation on profit margins. We can pass legislation that ensures a corporation must keep a decent percentage of its workforce in the country of origin. We can pass legislation forcing corporations to pay international employees at a comparable rate. We can enforce heavy terrifs in imports to ensure domestic markets can compete. Heap and heaps we can do to create wealth and jobs and to protect ourselves.

We can also take back Public Utilities and nationalize assets like resources.

The corporations need our markets. We do not need them.

When the Founding Fathers freed themselves from the British government,they were freeing themselves from the banks and corporations just as much.They knew corporations had to be kept in check.Incorperation is a privilege. Initially all corporations were selected to enable activities that benifited the public.Shareholders were only enabled to profit as a means to an end.Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy and other realms of society.They had alot of other conditions imposed on them as well,like they were not allowed to make any political or charitable donations.

Right now,the US Federal Government could preempt all 'state corporate law' under the courts current expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause.You could get around the Tenth Amendment and get them all out of Delaware.Corporate Personhood mocks the Bill of Rights and could also be removed.The Founding Fathers would remove it. Its not like your leaders couldnt fix things if they tried. And it could be done within your constitution.

Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Unlike Europeans,you Americans seem to cheer for privatization and lose of public utilities. Most anyway. Cheering for lose of public assets is akin to cheering for your own demise. You will see.....

Those of us who are for privatization have nothing in common with what you are describing. We are talking about in a free market environment without government intervention and cronyism Where companies succeed or fail on their own merits without government protection or bailouts etc.. The so called privatization you are talking about is a result of government intervention and force. etc. Its not really privatization it is fascism/corporatism as these so called corps it is turned over to are the politically connected/protected by/or part of government etc.

Some things like Public Utilities are a matter of National Security.

You cheer for your own demise.

I hope you like austerity.

reply to post by Germanicus


If you want the full scoop

Listen to the archives

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and this one

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It's funny Obama even knows how to make Bush look good

reply to post by ccsct203


I agree.

Obama does make Bush look good.

reply to post by Germanicus


Perhaps but perhaps its not that complicated. Divide and Conquer, but not the governments because that would be to easy. They have to divide the culture and they do that by dividing families through cultural influences and when that happens families go their seperate ways and have seperate ideas and loose ground because no longer will they be forming in mass numbers making big governments look bad in the media. IMHO

I think Americans our the very best example of this!

reply to post by Germanicus

Some things like Public Utilities are a matter of National Security.

You cheer for your own demise.

I hope you like austerity.

Baloney! You have no clue what you're talking about. Utilities in America are supposedly privately owned however government has intervened and eliminated competition and assigned territories to said companies that is fascism. Still there is no government protection of public utilities some group could easily take out the grid foul water supplies etc with a few well placed attacks that there are no defense preparations for whatsoever.

True privatization would not be austerity as you see it, it would be recovery! Yeah it would cut government spending and programs but that is a good thing! You guys spout rhetoric with no substance or history of actual implementation. Privatization historically was the case in America and it accounted for our most prosperous times. There is no historical period where privatization without government intervention caused problems it caused prosperity. Austerity is not a bad thing it is the road to recovery if done correctly!

America grew to the richest most prosperous nation on earth mostly under limited small government returning to that blueprint of success is the only proven road to recovery!

reply to post by Germanicus

Stop instigating fear of austerity please.
There is no such thing as THE austerity as a certain flat-rate or something.
Austerity is a question of finding the right balance.. it's simply a process that comes in all forms and degrees, depending on what you're trying to achieve with it.
Too harsh and ill-directed austerity can be bad, no austerity at all (when your budged doesn't add up) is even worse.

Originally posted by hawkiye
[...] Austerity is not a bad thing it is the road to recovery if done correctly!

Exactly.

The entire financial world system is in great need of an overhaul. Corporations are merely extentions of the robber barons of the industrial age who have matured to world class vampires.They've dug in with an armor of international law that they paid to build.
This huge entity isn't going anywhere by conventional means.All the leaders in the civilized world are on the take. My country takes orders from these creatures of treasure.

Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Some things like Public Utilities are a matter of National Security.

You cheer for your own demise.

I hope you like austerity.

Baloney! You have no clue what your talking about. Utilities in America are supposedly privately owned however government has intervened and eliminated competition and assigned territories to said companies that is fascism. Still there is no government protection of public utilities some group could easily take out the grid foul water supplies etc with a few well placed attacks that there are no defense preparations for whatsoever.

True privatization would not be austerity as you see it, it would be recovery! Yeah it would cut government spending and programs but that is a good thing!You guys spout rhetoric with no substance or history of actual implementation. Privatization historically was the case in America and it accounted for our most prosperous times. There is no historical period where privatization in without government intervention caused problems it caused prosperity. Austerity is not a bad thing it is the road to recovery if done correctly!

America grew to the richest most prosperous nation on earth mostly under limited small government returning to that blueprint of success is the only proven road to recovery!

edit on 10-6-2012 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

Privatization is not austerity. Privatazation helps cause austerity. Did you even read that?

And how did the United States get out of The Great Depression? How? The only proven road to recovery my [SNIP]

You spout absoloute nonsense.

The health of a nation is paramount. selling off public utlities is selling off public wealth. Is that so hard for you to understand?

And you argue against yourself. "supposedly privatized". The Government is corporatist if you had not noticed. Of course they create regulations and an environment for their corporate buddies to succeed. It is crony capitalism.

And do you have any idea what austerity entails? It is explained quite clearly above. Austerity is no solution. Austerity will hurt you, not just the very poor.

I will thinkabout you when the world openly turn on America I will think about you when you lose sovereignty and the american people are forever enslaved by the corporaitists and bankers.

Nice thread.

However, I firmly believe that the fall of the USA will follow the model of the fall of the Roman Empire circa 400 AD, the similarities are eerily familiar, I have posted other threads about this already.

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Stop instigating fear of austerity please.
There is no such thing as THE austerity as a certain flat-rate or something.
Austerity is a question of finding the right balance.. it's simply a process that comes in all forms and degrees, depending on what you're trying to achieve with it.
Too harsh and ill-directed austerity can be bad, no austerity at all (when your budged doesn't add up) is even worse.

Originally posted by hawkiye
[...] Austerity is not a bad thing it is the road to recovery if done correctly!

Exactly.

edit on 10-6-2012 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

You should be afraid. Greece is not a television show.

Actually, I will laugh at guys like you. People like you will deserve everything they get. I just feel sorry for the americans that can actually see what is happening.

I bet you are middleclass and not too concerned because you think austerity will only hurt the poor. Wrong. Its gonna hurt you bad.

Originally posted by babybunnies
Nice thread.

However, I firmly believe that the fall of the USA will follow the model of the fall of the Roman Empire circa 400 AD, the similarities are eerily familiar, I have posted other threads about this already.

I would like to read those threads. I will take a look.

And I agree. Rome and the United States have many parrallels.

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
The entire financial world system is in great need of an overhaul. Corporations are merely extentions of the robber barons of the industrial age who have matured to world class vampires.They've dug in with an armor of international law that they paid to build.
This huge entity isn't going anywhere by conventional means.All the leaders in the civilized world are on the take. My country takes orders from these creatures of treasure.

Hey man. I agree. The other western nations have blame. All of our leaders are traitors.

And we all seem to have been doomed by these [SNIP]ers.

Germanicus, puddin', stop fear mongering.
*sheesh*

America will never be destroyed. Kind of like trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube.
It won't work.

The idea of freedom, liberty, individuality, personal responsibility are known now.

You can try to sell your brand of socialism, but I don't think you'll get many buyers.

The great thing about the American capitalistic system is that it will auto-correct itself.

It just takes time.

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its all your fault beezer... stop trying to cover and deny...