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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by gavron

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
I believe the OP and it doesn't seem out of the ordinary for that area (NorthEast, especially Philly) for something like this to happen.


Could you please provide an example of this? I'd like to see another story about a public school enforcing an event, where students not complying were asked to leave.
edit on 11-6-2012 by gavron because: (no reason given)


I can't provide that without affecting my anonymity at this particular time... If you choose to not believe me as a result, that is your prerogative, but I can't justify doing so for the purpose of a story on a message board.



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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
is it just me or does this whole thread feel like a psych 101 project ?


Indeed.

Give people an outlet for their anger over the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman issue based on vague, nondescript claims of an incident that has nary a shred of proof to support it, and see how many rubes fly into the zapper!



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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To the OP!

You should stick to your local craigslist Rants & Raves...

You are getting flamed, burned as a troll at the stake.

Although you did get a knee jerk reaction out of some, We here at ATS arent dumb, and you have failed to fool us. Me at least.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by EllaMarina
The detail of the OP's sister-in-law not intending to make an issue out of it sounds like a cop-out to explain why no one has heard of it yet....
edit on 11-6-2012 by EllaMarina because: (no reason given)


I think that is a bit unfair.

A parent who has no means to move her child out of the school may not want to stir the pot,and make matters even worse for her child.

If she makes a big public hoopla out of it, who knows what further suffering her child will have to endure? Her child is probably already getting bullied for not following along with the rest of them, can you imagine how much worse it could get if it were brought to the medias attention?

I can understand why she just wants to let it go, and get her kid through school, with the least amount of hassle.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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The school didn't officially "require" the hoodie from what I understand.
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her mother was told by the principal that it would be better to just take her home, after the whole situation turned into an "incident."


Oh, look at that...your story has changed...what a surprise



So your niece caused an "incident"...maybe she isn't as innocent as you portrayed her in the OP...maybe she was trying to make a statement of her own to disrupt a memorial.

And doesn't sound like she was sent home, just would be better if she did go home.



This thread is such a joke...maybe you should have cleared this story with the insider from Romney's campaign first to see if you had all your facts straight



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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reply to post by UltimateSkeptic1
 

I'd ask Zimmerman's lawyer for a referral to a lawyer.

I'd also contact the school board members and ask them if they support mob justice.



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Its a shame these types of things happen nowadays :/



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1
Maybe there's a political correctness stupidity pandemic in public schools these days.

A couple months ago the public school that my niece attends had a "Treyvon Martin" day. The students were told to wear hoodies for the assembly.

My niece, who is in 10th grade, and who is an independent thinker, questioned this. She told her home room teacher that she didn't want to wear a hoodie in support of Treyvon Martin. The teacher asked why, and my niece said she felt bad he died, but that maybe he was the one who attacked Zimmerman, and she didn't feel comfortable supporting anybody when she didn't know the facts.

The next day my niece showed up to school dressed nicely, but not wearing the hoodie. She was sent to the principal's office and reprimanded, and told that she either had to wear a hoodie or go home. The principal told her to go to the lost and found and find a hoodie to wear. The principal's reasoning was that it was important that the students show uniformity, and support for a fellow high school student that was gunned down.

My niece went to the lost and found in tears, and called her mom. Her mom called the principle, who told her to come pick her up from school.

Now is where the story gets good....

Her mom went into the principal's office the next day to confront her on what happened. The principal told her that it's important that the students "fall in" and "sometimes you have to learn to comply." Her mom pointed to the school's values posted on the wall and noted that "compliance" wasn't one of the values, and that in fact "diversity" was a value.

The principal replied, "Diversity means the right kind of diversity. Not your daughter's kind of diversity."

I wanted to tell the world about the school and the principal, but it would only make it harder for my niece. She's already targeted over this.

Is this an aberration, or is it normal for schools these days to be run like indoctrination camps? How does this ever get fixed?

My sister-in-law wants to move over this. I don't blame her.



this just.


oh my .......



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THIS MAKES ME SEETHING WITH RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HOW DARE THEY TREAT THIS POOR GIRL LIKE THIS???????????

what an absolutely evil disgusting #$%^*&( PRINCIPLE!!!!!!!!

the principle should get fired and the whole school shut down!!!!!!


RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by nunya13
One thing ive noticed is that none of the schools found in a search held an event at required the attendance of ecery student. They all are demonstrations that the school allowed to take place performed by a particular group of students. This makes the ops story even more questionable, imo.


From what I've read in the thread so far, it seems that the situation has been modified somewhat from the title. There was an issue about her not wearing a hoodie, it wasn't said that it was a requirement, maybe strongly suggested. When she didn't have one, it was suggested (or told to her, not sure which) that she get one from the lost and found. It seems that it became an issue as a result, she called her parents who called the principal. In order to avoid a big conflict, it was suggested that the parents take her home.
Granted, this is a bit different from being "suspended for not wearing a hoodie" as the original post said, but it still arose from the event taking place and her not wanting to participate. The administration should have had other plans for those not participating instead of suggesting they find a hoodie in the lost and found.

I think the issue has changed from one of suspension for non compliance to poor planning and an issue that resulted from it.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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Rules is rules ......



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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I believe this story is true because I was once (back in 2000) I received a call that said I needed to bring my child some clothes because he was dressed inappropriately. I tried to get more information because it was a 40 min drive and my child was all about dressing nice (he was all about getting the girls)


Now that is even weirder than the OPs story. Why would your son, whom you need to be taking care of to the point of dropping clothes off, be all about "getting the girls"? That screams TV indoctrination to me.

Not only that, but you're telling me I don't have an attention span worth crap(which is a lie by the way, since you don't know me, plus, I'd wager that my attention span and intelligence far exceed yours) - then you go on about how YOU (ego centric) believe this story to be true because of something that YOU(ego centric) needed to do, after all the I's comes "MY CHILD"(possession) twice. That's called projection and being overly possessive. So excuse me for not seeing your argument as an intelligent or rational one as a response to this thread, because it simply isn't. You see it as an opportunity to dump your story, claim how it's relevant and that's why you believe the OPs story to be true ( which it was not by the way, how dumb do you feel now? )


As far as you saying it is retarded not to go a long with an organized event, darling... there are stories all over the net about children who have been required to participate in those events that go against everything they believe in.


No, no, no.

You are wrong about that. It is extremely socially retarded. I was trying to be nice. It is EXTREMELY socially retarded. Humans are social creatures. "Going against everything they believe in"...what a bunch of nonsense. It is obvious that the girl wanted to politicize the issue with her not wearing a hoodie. Principal says fine, then don't attend because people will smack you up the face for being socially retarded. That's where the OP has a problem. They are not socially aware enough. Ego-centric people are what they are called.


One can just as easily say, standing up for anything just to fit in the group is retarded.


I bet you aren't socially capable either if you cannot judge this situation properly.


The girl did not want to participate, that's not insane, that is making her own decision and that should be respected. It is not your business or the schools business to force anyone to support any agenda that they don't agree with, that simple.


Yes, she didn't want to and the school didn't force her. But you can't tell me it's a smart move JUST to show people what political bandwagon you're on. The girl most likely did not make her own decision but was fed that nonsense at home.


As far as what I know about teaching darling, I taught in Ohio schools until Goals 2000 was being implemented. I have probably more education system knowledge than you have in life years. Go back and see if your brain can handle a full hour of information by watching that video I posted a few pages back. Not the graduation video the one above that, then come back and speak to me.


BLabla, a teacher. Who gives a crap? First you need to be socially capable for me to listen to you, otherwise, what's the point? You won't see importance in anything else than exerting your political opinion everywhere...



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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Seriously...Is this a big surprise?

In this country, relatively few people
can make BIG decisions
that affect the rest of us.

Kids should learn that early.


Look at the Supreme Court paving the way for "SuperPacs" to skew elections or Mayor Bloomburg in NY banning the Big Gulp....and just this morning I heard on the news a Police Chief in Mass placed a ban on swearing in public. Some (but not everyone) in the town voted on it, and now it is a law.
Forget "free speech" You CAN be arrested for yelling out a four letter word in this town.
Curses! US Town Bans Swearing

This same democratic process might be how the kids and school decided to show solidarity with Trayvon Martin - THEY VOTED ON IT and then mandated it.

In cases like this, when a decision is finally handed down by the voting "majority" you either fight the entire mandate or be labeled a spoil sport at least, and at most... arrested as a violator.

Or in the case of this child - you get a talking to from the Principal for not wearing a hoodie, in Middleburg, Mass you'll get a $20 fine for the swearing, in NYC I think it is purveyors who will be charged with the newly criminalized "offense" of daring to serve a huge soda and in the case the Supreme Court ruling on SuperPacs - we will ALL pay the unfortunate price for that bad call.

Welcome to America!
Home of the fickle.

edit on 12-6-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 06:52 AM
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I really didn't want to get involved here but in the OP defense MANY schools held "Trayvon Martin Days" or "Hoodie days" because of this whole stupid fiasco. My children DID NOT wear hoodies, 1. because we do not know the whole story!!! Is it sad a kid died? YES, however, having a 16 year old myself I know damn well that teens and kids in general do not always do the right thing....Therefore, there is no way to know who to support with a clear conscience!

And number 2. Schools anymore just press this stupid conformity issue to no end! well, SCREW THAT! My girls will only ever conform to a group or idea if it's of their own choosing! I've already had it out with my 11 year olds school over something as petty as a Betty Boop T-shirt. Idiots telling me that it is inappropriate for her age.... a cartoon character from the 50's...simply because the words "oh lala " were printed on it...

I really do not believe this OP is embellishing or making anything up, it's crazy out there in the education world, kids aren't learning anything but how to be robots and yes men and it is disgusting, I hope your nieces mom takes this as far as she can to the news ect or anywhere where people will actually listen.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by ScatterBrain
 



I believe this story is true because I was once (back in 2000) I received a call that said I needed to bring my child some clothes because he was dressed inappropriately. I tried to get more information because it was a 40 min drive and my child was all about dressing nice (he was all about getting the girls)


Now that is even weirder than the OPs story. Why would your son, whom you need to be taking care of to the point of dropping clothes off, be all about "getting the girls"? That screams TV indoctrination to me.

Not only that, but you're telling me I don't have an attention span worth crap(which is a lie by the way, since you don't know me, plus, I'd wager that my attention span and intelligence far exceed yours) - then you go on about how YOU (ego centric) believe this story to be true because of something that YOU(ego centric) needed to do, after all the I's comes "MY CHILD"(possession) twice. That's called projection and being overly possessive. So excuse me for not seeing your argument as an intelligent or rational one as a response to this thread, because it simply isn't. You see it as an opportunity to dump your story, claim how it's relevant and that's why you believe the OPs story to be true ( which it was not by the way, how dumb do you feel now? )


As far as you saying it is retarded not to go a long with an organized event, darling... there are stories all over the net about children who have been required to participate in those events that go against everything they believe in.


No, no, no.

You are wrong about that. It is extremely socially retarded. I was trying to be nice. It is EXTREMELY socially retarded. Humans are social creatures. "Going against everything they believe in"...what a bunch of nonsense. It is obvious that the girl wanted to politicize the issue with her not wearing a hoodie. Principal says fine, then don't attend because people will smack you up the face for being socially retarded. That's where the OP has a problem. They are not socially aware enough. Ego-centric people are what they are called.


One can just as easily say, standing up for anything just to fit in the group is retarded.


I bet you aren't socially capable either if you cannot judge this situation properly.


The girl did not want to participate, that's not insane, that is making her own decision and that should be respected. It is not your business or the schools business to force anyone to support any agenda that they don't agree with, that simple.


Yes, she didn't want to and the school didn't force her. But you can't tell me it's a smart move JUST to show people what political bandwagon you're on. The girl most likely did not make her own decision but was fed that nonsense at home.


As far as what I know about teaching darling, I taught in Ohio schools until Goals 2000 was being implemented. I have probably more education system knowledge than you have in life years. Go back and see if your brain can handle a full hour of information by watching that video I posted a few pages back. Not the graduation video the one above that, then come back and speak to me.


BLabla, a teacher. Who gives a crap? First you need to be socially capable for me to listen to you, otherwise, what's the point? You won't see importance in anything else than exerting your political opinion everywhere...



I think you have strayed considerably off this topic and ventured into the muddy area of using your entire post to attack and ridicule another poster.

Just my opinion but who cares how smart you are?
Does this make you better than anyone else?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by UltimateSkeptic1
 



The school didn't officially "require" the hoodie from what I understand.
....
her mother was told by the principal that it would be better to just take her home, after the whole situation turned into an "incident."


Oh, look at that...your story has changed...what a surprise



So your niece caused an "incident"...maybe she isn't as innocent as you portrayed her in the OP...maybe she was trying to make a statement of her own to disrupt a memorial.

And doesn't sound like she was sent home, just would be better if she did go home.



This thread is such a joke...maybe you should have cleared this story with the insider from Romney's campaign first to see if you had all your facts straight


No, the story didn't change.

1. she was told she either had to go home or wear a hoodie by the principal.
2. once her mom got to the school, the principal told her mom it would be better off to take her home.

Actually a joke is something that makes you laugh. The almost obsessive desire by ATS members to question the validity of the story is funny. I sent the link to some friends and they sent back emails with LOLs over how some people on ATS are so obsessed and full of themselves, and are dealing with the cognitive dissonance that forces them to claim the story isn't true or else face the reality that their ideology is flawed.

My one friend was spot on when she told me that people are going to start blaming my niece for the entire incident.

Yes, fall in line and comply.

That's what "the party" wants.

Deny ignorance.

That doesn't mean you're always right.

Without knowing the facts, because somebody tells a story that is an affront to their ideology, they conclude the story is false?

That's the definition of ignorance.

( But is IS funny! lol )

Why are you so obsessed with this story? Why is it important to you?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten

From what I've read in the thread so far, it seems that the situation has been modified somewhat from the title. There was an issue about her not wearing a hoodie, it wasn't said that it was a requirement, maybe strongly suggested. When she didn't have one, it was suggested (or told to her, not sure which) that she get one from the lost and found. It seems that it became an issue as a result, she called her parents who called the principal. In order to avoid a big conflict, it was suggested that the parents take her home.
Granted, this is a bit different from being "suspended for not wearing a hoodie" as the original post said, but it still arose from the event taking place and her not wanting to participate. The administration should have had other plans for those not participating instead of suggesting they find a hoodie in the lost and found.

I think the issue has changed from one of suspension for non compliance to poor planning and an issue that resulted from it.


I want to be specific here just to make sure this doesn't get off track.

I never said she was "suspended."

I never said the school officially required all the kids to wear hoodies.

When the incident escalated, and my niece stood her ground, both the teacher and the principal were not happy, probably because their implied authority was being challenged by a 10th grader.

What I thought was most indefensible was the principal's comment about diversity. One of the schools values is diversity. The principal made it clear that diversity didn't include not wearing the hoodie.

I found it ironic that the school required unity in their support for diversity. It reminded me of the manager of the Florida Marlins who was suspended by Major League Baseball for making a statement that he loved Castro. MLB said the reason he was suspended was because MLB must respect the diversity of their fans -as long as it's the right kind of diversity. Apparently MLB doesn't respect people who love Castro, just like the principal didn't appreciate the diversity of my niece not wanting to wear the hoodie.

The part of the story that really broke my heart was my niece actually did go to the lost and found looking for a hoodie but she couldn't find one. That's why she was in tears. She was scared she was going to get in trouble with the school for not complying. She didn't think it was going to turn into what it did.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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STILL don't believe your story, and you backtracking doesn't make it smell any more legit than before.

As others have said, this likely DID NOT happen, which is why there is no mention anywhere in the press about it. A local Fox affiliate would have a field day with the story of a school that told the kids to wear hoodies in support of Trayvon Martin, even without the mention about your 'niece'. To pretend that every other student in the school would go along with this, and no local news would pick up on the event is absurd. Your story is ludicrous. Your name and signature are ironic.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

From what I've read in the thread so far, it seems that the situation has been modified somewhat from the title. There was an issue about her not wearing a hoodie, it wasn't said that it was a requirement, maybe strongly suggested. When she didn't have one, it was suggested (or told to her, not sure which) that she get one from the lost and found. It seems that it became an issue as a result, she called her parents who called the principal. In order to avoid a big conflict, it was suggested that the parents take her home.
Granted, this is a bit different from being "suspended for not wearing a hoodie" as the original post said, but it still arose from the event taking place and her not wanting to participate. The administration should have had other plans for those not participating instead of suggesting they find a hoodie in the lost and found.

I think the issue has changed from one of suspension for non compliance to poor planning and an issue that resulted from it.


I want to be specific here just to make sure this doesn't get off track.

I never said she was "suspended."

I never said the school officially required all the kids to wear hoodies.

When the incident escalated, and my niece stood her ground, both the teacher and the principal were not happy, probably because their implied authority was being challenged by a 10th grader.

What I thought was most indefensible was the principal's comment about diversity. One of the schools values is diversity. The principal made it clear that diversity didn't include not wearing the hoodie.

I found it ironic that the school required unity in their support for diversity. It reminded me of the manager of the Florida Marlins who was suspended by Major League Baseball for making a statement that he loved Castro. MLB said the reason he was suspended was because MLB must respect the diversity of their fans -as long as it's the right kind of diversity. Apparently MLB doesn't respect people who love Castro, just like the principal didn't appreciate the diversity of my niece not wanting to wear the hoodie.

The part of the story that really broke my heart was my niece actually did go to the lost and found looking for a hoodie but she couldn't find one. That's why she was in tears. She was scared she was going to get in trouble with the school for not complying. She didn't think it was going to turn into what it did.


I still agree with you. If they were having an activity in support of Martin, it was their responsibility to provide suitable instruction time for those students who did not want to participate and they didn't. You daughter could have went to a study hall or all the students not wanting to participate could have had a different activity not related to it in any way as to not cause social tension. The excuse could have been given "I didn't remember my hoodie" and the other kids would have just said "oh, ok" and went on. Intead, it became an issue because instead of offering another option, they wanted her to wear a shirt from lost and found, she couldn't find one and got upset.
From that point, it doesn't matter if she escalated it or didn't, the fact remains that they didn't have an alternative in place and they are wrong in doing so. They were the base cause of any escalation whether it was from her or from them.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
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STILL don't believe your story, and you backtracking doesn't make it smell any more legit than before.

As others have said, this likely DID NOT happen, which is why there is no mention anywhere in the press about it. A local Fox affiliate would have a field day with the story of a school that told the kids to wear hoodies in support of Trayvon Martin, even without the mention about your 'niece'. To pretend that every other student in the school would go along with this, and no local news would pick up on the event is absurd. Your story is ludicrous. Your name and signature are ironic.


The news only picks up if someone contacts them about it. She was clear that her niece didn't want to make a big deal out of it ...if she had made a big deal, they would have made the rest of her school career miserable.
I do believe that the posters story happened. Granted, the other side may give different reasons and so forth, but it boils down to them not having an alternative in place for those not participating and that caused an escalation.

If the OP comes back and says 'she could have went to study hall but didn't want to', then it falls on the girl. Otherwise, it falls on the school.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by UltimateSkeptic1
 


STILL don't believe your story, and you backtracking doesn't make it smell any more legit than before.

As others have said, this likely DID NOT happen, which is why there is no mention anywhere in the press about it. A local Fox affiliate would have a field day with the story of a school that told the kids to wear hoodies in support of Trayvon Martin, even without the mention about your 'niece'. To pretend that every other student in the school would go along with this, and no local news would pick up on the event is absurd. Your story is ludicrous. Your name and signature are ironic.


The phenomenon of internet users insisting the story is false is a more interesting story than the original story. lol

Does it upset you that I have so many S&Fs for a story you don't believe is true?

Back on topic: Obviously there were schools all over the country with kids wearing hoodies. Every event and protest was defined by people wearing hoodies. The original question concerned whether other people have had similar experiences with schools enforcing "compliance" for kids to fall into a predetermined "right" way to think and act. The hoodie part of the story was incidental to the point I was making.

This has nothing to do with Trayvon Martin or race or anything else except an overzealous teacher and principal enforcing their idea of how "diversity" must look. I appreciate all of you who have replied with constructive comments to further the discussion.

stanguilles7, why are you so emotionally attached to claiming this story isn't real?

Do you really believe that it was impossible for this story to have occurred? That's your argument? It didn't happen because it couldn't have happened? Seriously?




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