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Help identifying aircraft at Airbus Broughton....!

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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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Whilst having a look around on google earth I noticed a few interesting things at the Broughton site...!

At 53* 11 14 N, 2* 58 35 W you have what I beleive is a Shadow R1... No surprises there as they are built at the Broughton site by Raytheon.

At 53* 11 15 N, 2* 58 25 W are two Aircraft which at first glance I thought to be Phantoms..one with complete wings fitted and one with the outer portions removed...however on having a second look the sweep angle looks too great to be a phantom..maybe they are Russian swing wing Sukhois or Migs...?

Finally at 53* 11 7 N, 2* 58 24 W there is a strange aircraft shape...cannot tell if it is a mock up of something or just a pile of debris in a strange shape but it looks like an A/ C to me.......!

anybody else care to have a look and give me your opinion on the unidentified ones......if all else fails I will go for a drive past as I only live 8 miles away from there........




posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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I live not far from there-about 6 miles as the crow files.

I tried to input your co ord's into google maps,but I must be doing it wrong,as it gives me a location in Mexico!!

That airport is where the Beluga aircraft flies to and from I think,could it have been the Beluga you saw?




Its one odd looking plane,and can look even weirder when its loading cargo,which it does with the nose flipped up in the air like this:



Was that what you saw?
Cool to have a local themed thread on ATS.
S+F



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:07 AM
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SS......defiantly not the Beluga...was in the RAF for 26 years as an Aircraft Electrician and worked for Airbus and Raytheon at Broughton so I know what all the current aircraft look like.....

if you locate the large building were the A380 wings are manufactured and then go towards the railway line you will come to a small collection of hangers etc...this is we're the aircraft I am referring to are....I would of posted pictures of the area but cannot remember how to do it as the last time I posted on here was 2006......!



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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I put your coordinates into Google Earth and wound up in the Philippines.

The two together are F-4s in my opinion. The one that is all there appears to have the downward canted horizontal stabilizers that only the F-4 has.
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
reply to post by Silentvulcan
 


I live not far from there-about 6 miles as the crow files.

I tried to input your co ord's into google maps,but I must be doing it wrong,as it gives me a location in Mexico!!

That airport is where the Beluga aircraft flies to and from I think,could it have been the Beluga you saw?




Its one odd looking plane,and can look even weirder when its loading cargo,which it does with the nose flipped up in the air like this:



Was that what you saw?
Cool to have a local themed thread on ATS.
SWhilst having a look around on google earth I noticed a few interesting things at the Broughton site...!

At 53* 11 14 N, 2* 58 35 W you have what I beleive is a Shadow R1... No surprises there as they are built at the Broughton site by Raytheon.

At 53* 11 15 N, 2* 58 25 W are two Aircraft which at first glance I thought to be Phantoms..one with complete wings fitted and one with the outer portions removed...however on having a second look the sweep angle looks too great to be a phantom..maybe they are Russian swing wing Sukhois or Migs...?

Finally at 53* 11 7 N, 2* 58 24 W there is a strange aircraft shape...cannot tell if it is a mock up of something or just a pile of debris in a strange shape but it looks like an A/ C to me.......!

anybody else care to have a look and give me your opinion on the unidentified ones......if all else fails I will go for a drive past as I only live 8 miles away from there........+F

Im only 2 mile away from there
ill have a look on googlemap



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Oops.....sorry Zaphod....don't know what is going on there...that is where google earth said i was looking...!!! if your put in Hawarden Airport (CEG) Flintshire, United Kingdom that will take you there.....locate the large Hanger on the left hand side of the Airfield (A380 wing production plant) and go up to the railway line you will see the objects I was trying to identify...

hope that helps......



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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I'm guessing these are the aircraft you mean?



Oh, and I only live about 2 miles away also lol



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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That's what I thought but isn't the wing sweep to extreme for an F4......??



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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Mr B...that's them...thanks for the pics......So we think F4's for the two together...what about the other one...????



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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It might be, but it looks like some of the wing may have been removed. Your best way to find out for sure is to find someone that lives in the area, and ask them really nicely to go take a look and get pictures. It's hard to identify aircraft sometimes on Google Earth. The angles and shadows can make things look different than they really are.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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I'll be passing there tomorrow, I drive past every night.. I'll take my camera and see if I can get some pics.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Great! Hopefully you can. I'm curious to see if I'm right. I usually have no problem identifying planes (pisses off my other half to no end
) but the angles and shadows on this one are throwing me off a little.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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reply to post by Silcone Synapse
 

Question from an amateur -

What does the Beluga transport that it's built so oddly?



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Ah,not the Beluga then.


Could it be that its some kind of new model,which they have disguised to look like something else-You know the way they do with new car models during pre release testing-to hide their new model from the competition?
Off topic:
I remember seeing a load of old migs(I think)about 10 years back when I took my Dad for a flying lesson at that airport.
It was a junkyard type area of the airport.I asked the guys if I could climb on them and check them out,but they said no.


Amazed at how many folks are from my local area and members of ATS.
There must be something in the water.

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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
I put your coordinates into Google Earth and wound up in the Philippines.

The two together are F-4s in my opinion. The one that is all there appears to have the downward canted horizontal stabilizers that only the F-4 has.
edit on 6/10/2012 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)




Those two aren't F-4's zap, they are ex-Luftwaffe Su-22's that came here following German reunification, I remember them flying over years ago, though they are in a sorry state now.

I think I have spotted the mystery type, it appears to have a sharply swept wing and a t-tail to my eyes, I am wondering if it might be another Sukhoi that was mocked up differently for TV (ie, see also the 747 at the Top Gear test track with B-52-style twinned engines done for a Bond movie as an example of what I mean)

Edit; yes, that's the one I was referring o, as seen in the pic above.
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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The single aircraft is a Mig-23.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by rtyfx
reply to post by Silcone Synapse
 

Question from an amateur -

What does the Beluga transport that it's built so oddly?


The Beluga is a heavy cargo plane,designed in part to accommodate the Airbus A380 wings,which are manufactured at the nearby factory.
It takes them to France for assembly.

Its a fantastic plane to watch in the air,it hangs uncannily like a bumble bee IMO.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Ah cool. See, that's what I mean about Google Earth and identification. I'd swear looking at them that they have downward canted stabilizers.

Thanks for the ID guys.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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The Beluga was designed to carry just about any oversized cargo that won't fit into a normal transport. Primarily it was meant to carry completed sections of Airbus aircraft. From A380 wings, to completed fuselage sections of other Airbus aircraft, and anything else you can hire them to transport.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Had a eureka moment.....went on google maps...dropped a pin on the main road next to the aircraft....went to street view and there are two SU 17's parked up!

Unfortunately I cannot get an angle on the other mystery aircraft but upon doing a bit of googling Hawareden Air Services have over the years had numerous soviet A/c and this included SU 17's and Mig 23/27's...so as the man said the camo A/C is probably a Mig 23....or 27....difficult to tell from above......!

The ironic thing is I used to work less than 100 metres away from these aircraft on the ASTOR/Sentinal programme at Raytheon and never knew they were there.......!!!!

Mystery solved......thanks to all who had an input.....

SV.....out!!!!!




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