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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by NorEaster
"If you study creativity and inventiveness, you discover that creativity and invention are reconfigurations of existent notions, and that even the most novel concept has logical linkage with a previous notion or concept. Well, except for this very inexplicable concept."
So, even though every idea has a source, a belief in God does not have one, for if it did, one must eventually accept the existence of God as fact; this notion, unlike every other thought or idea humanity as ever had appeared from nowhere?
Sounds like a stretch to me.
There is hard evidence of God's existence and descriptions of God's appearance and the nature of his habitation and the manner in which God exists relative to the created world; consistent across cultures and through time.
Many people reject them and for a reason; the reason being...those descriptions don't give them the power they desire.
That humanity has decided to engage in a never ending debate about such a topic suggests to me that everyone knows God exists...but something is trying to control how people think of God and therefore control people and through this mechanism become something 'like God'.
Originally posted by NorEaster
So, the guy who has played God believes that we invented God. Not much of a headline, but it got me thinking about a very specific origin that is closely related to the stuff discussed on this forum.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/08/morgan-freeman-god-religion_n_1580521.html?ref=mostpopular#e
This mystery may seem fairly simple at first blush, but give it a moment before you reply. It really is not a simple question. Any seriously considered suggestions?
Originally posted by NorEaster
Obviously nobody who posts actually reads.
The premise of the question - again - is that IF the entirety of Earth-centric humanity's existence exists as the ongoing activity of the Homo Sapiens brain, then please explain the concept of blah, blah, blah...
You people are not reading the post, or you are not understanding the post.
It's no big accomplishment to pontificate about how dumb or messed up people are who (1) believe or (2) don't believe in a God. That's nothing to achieve whatsoever. What I want to see is someone explain where the original concept happened, given the proven fact that imagination and creativity is not actually original. And the fact that an invisible and imperceptible being can't possibly be invented by a brain that has no innate capacity to invent a notion that is so profoundly incompatible with its own existential nature and the nature of literally everything it can conceive of as a direct result of experience and/or perception.
So try again.
Originally posted by NorEaster
Obviously nobody who posts actually reads.
The premise of the question - again - is that IF the entirety of Earth-centric humanity's existence exists as the ongoing activity of the Homo Sapiens brain, then please explain the concept of blah, blah, blah...
You people are not reading the post, or you are not understanding the post.
It's no big accomplishment to pontificate about how dumb or messed up people are who (1) believe or (2) don't believe in a God. That's nothing to achieve whatsoever. What I want to see is someone explain where the original concept happened, given the proven fact that imagination and creativity is not actually original. And the fact that an invisible and imperceptible being can't possibly be invented by a brain that has no innate capacity to invent a notion that is so profoundly incompatible with its own existential nature and the nature of literally everything it can conceive of as a direct result of experience and/or perception.
So try again.
Originally posted by NorEaster
What I want to see is someone explain where the original concept happened, given the proven fact that imagination and creativity is not actually original. And the fact that an invisible and imperceptible being can't possibly be invented by a brain that has no innate capacity to invent a notion that is so profoundly incompatible with its own existential nature and the nature of literally everything it can conceive of as a direct result of experience and/or perception.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
So when Morgan Freeman dies, and is standing before his Creator, he's going to say ... 'you are a figment of my imagination .. go away'. I'm wondering if God will be amused at the arrogance of Freeman.
Originally posted by Erectus
Why did the idea of God come from nothing?
It didn't.
Anthropomorphication of those daily and annual natural events that allow humanitys' existence on Earth is what led to the idea of a god (a pantheon initially). In a cold place what things happen every day and every year that are really important? Dawn and Spring. So who was the first God? Probably the sun. Who was the second god? He probably had to do with the success of the hunt.
I hate to be mean but some of the arguments and reasoning that I see on here are so presumptive, elementary, and flawed that you deserve to believe in the falsities that you do. You can't just make stuff up in your head and then profess it as some kind of sound reasoning.. You really should look into it a bit because there are smarter people than you out there whose entire careers are centered around exploring these things.
Magic, religion, and witchcraft is/are big topics in anthropology. There is no need to look beyond the human brain to find magic or God.
Creativity is what changed man from H. sapien to H. sapien sapien. It stemmed from a change in the brain that allowed a human to abstractly relate dissimilar things. This is the heart of mans' creativity and explosive inventiveness after 25-50,000ybp.
edit on 10-6-2012 by Erectus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
do we charge lions for killing their own kind, or another kind?
all concept of morality falls away without a higher power. "without god, all things are permissible".
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
do we charge lions for killing their own kind, or another kind?
all concept of morality falls away without a higher power. "without god, all things are permissible".
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by NorEaster
Obviously nobody who posts actually reads.
The premise of the question - again - is that IF the entirety of Earth-centric humanity's existence exists as the ongoing activity of the Homo Sapiens brain, then please explain the concept of blah, blah, blah...
You people are not reading the post, or you are not understanding the post.
It's no big accomplishment to pontificate about how dumb or messed up people are who (1) believe or (2) don't believe in a God. That's nothing to achieve whatsoever. What I want to see is someone explain where the original concept happened, given the proven fact that imagination and creativity is not actually original. And the fact that an invisible and imperceptible being can't possibly be invented by a brain that has no innate capacity to invent a notion that is so profoundly incompatible with its own existential nature and the nature of literally everything it can conceive of as a direct result of experience and/or perception.
So try again.
We all have to agree that there was an original man - regardless of creation or evolution. Could there not have been an original thought? Since then, we know that man has been replicating himself, so maybe thoughts have just been replicating. It doesn't mean there couldn't have been an original thought, right?
Humans are the smartest of the "self-aware" creatures on this planet. Surely it is feasible to say that the first humans wondered how they got here. Watching themselves give birth, and watching other animals give birth - it's not a stretch to think that early man believed that someone "gave birth" to the entire planet and it's inhabitants. From there, you could just extrapolate on down the line. Parents control their childrens' environment, therefore a creator controls the planet's environment, i.e., weather, crops, natural disasters, etc., etc.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by NorEaster
there is nothing much to think about.
its not a deep question. your very own studies of creativity imply that if you created the concept of God, then God must exist; otherwise, the concept of God emerged from nothing...an impossibility.
Because you are discussing God, God must exist. Denying God within that framework; is do deny the conclusions of your very own research.
If you want to eliminate God; where, if you created God, then you can also destroy God. you would have to begin by not discussing God. but you wouldn't do that because in your mind you know God exists.
But again, its about controlling how people think and act, not whether or not there is or is not a God;