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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 01:49 AM by PurpleChiten
Originally posted by windword
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post by PurpleChiten



Typical Christian!
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Tequila rocks!


Oh, I don't mind the tequila... I just don't want to drink it with her!! LOL

Be happy to have one with you sometime!
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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 01:52 AM by windword
Originally posted by Dookie Master
reply to
post by XxNightAngelusxX



What about education? You could teach art.


Or History.

Just sayin.
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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 07:20 AM by Ozcabal
reply to post by Annee



I disagree.

A child is able to see more than those who have had a lifetime of social manipulation.

If only more of us were like children in the way we view the world - perhaps then we'd have fewer "firm beliefs"


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 10:41 AM by Anunaki10
Originally posted by intrptr
My elementary era was in
the 1960's. The article is true in every aspect including that you got it again when you got home. It was a different time.

Yah, the 1960's was a different time...

These weren't "beatings", they were called "spankings". People don't understand those times. It was common practice.

I also called it "spankings", but it's still beating students in my eyes. Teachers did spank students' butt, but teachers could also paddle students' hands as well, in the class room the teacher would say >>Come up here, boy...<<, and when the student came up to the teacher then the teacher would say >>Put your hands on the table...<<, and if the student still don't put his hands on the table, the teacher would shout >>I SAID PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE TABLE BOY!!!<<, and when the student put his hands flat out on the table then the teacher would "spank" the student's hands very hard, and the student would scream loud of pain... Sometimes the teacher could also pull the student's ear, or slap students' face. You're right about that people of the new generations don't understand those times. Yah, paddling was a common practice. If you take a look at this clip from this European movie then there are some students who got their faces slapped, and from about 11:44 into there 3 boys sitting in a café were a vinyl plate is being played, music played by "The Platters - Only You" from the 1950's, which means that that European movie may show how the European school system worked in the 1950's , so the school system was like that in the 1950's and the 1960's both in the United States and in Europe. The schools in the United States and Europe stopped the "spankings" in the late 1960's or the beginning of the 1970's

The twist to my experience is that our particular principle derived "pleasure" from seeing and paddling little boys behinds. I realize that now. Back then the whole school was under his control. And it was the way of things, nobody seemed to mind. You gotta wonder what the "office personnel" thought of it. They were adults who worked there. Anyone could see the paddles hanging on his office wall...

I think the story in your link is from the 80's? So that could not be him. But amazed they still do it apparently.

Wait a minutte... I also just discovered that my provided link says 30 years ago... But, the majority of the schools in the United States and Europe stopped "spanking" the students in the late 1960's or the beginning of the 1970's. I'm just as surprised as you are to see that my provided link mention 30 years ago... Then does that mean that some schools still practice "spanking" today? I think i better check that out...

Google "60's school practice of paddling children" . Won't let me link.

If you Google "paddling children 1960s" then it works better, and links like shown below shows up...

www.chron.com...
Paddles still swinging in Texas schools - WHEN JIMMY DUNNE was a math teacher at Houston's Black Middle School in the early 1960s, paddling was the customary way to punish a student's unruly behavior. "I paddled students, but I started thinking, why am I doing this when I don't do it at home?" said Dunne, now president of People Opposed to Paddling Students, a Houston-area group formed in 1982. "I noticed some teachers were getting a sadistic pleasure out of hitting kids, so I stopped after a couple of years." Dunne's group and national organizations, such as the U.S. chapter of End Physical Punishment of Children, have been leading a campaign to abolish corporal punishment at schools in the United States. So far, about 28 states have banned the practice in public schools because of the potential for abuse and lawsuits. Yet Texas continues to lead the nation with nearly 75,000 students paddled in 2000, according to a survey by the Ohio-based Center for Effective Discipline. In Harris County, more than half of the school districts continue to paddle students or have a policy that allows it.

Holy sh!t, i can't believe my eyes when i read this... stateimpact.npr.org...
Why Florida Schools Can Paddle Students Against Parents’ Wishes, March 13, 2012 - State law allows schools in Florida to punish students by spanking them with a paddle, which is often a wooden or plexiglass board. The administrators at most schools with corporal punishment policies ask parents for permission to paddle their children. Many principals say they will not paddle a kid against the parent’s wishes. But schools don’t always check the paperwork before they administer the punishment. And when that happens, Florida statutes protect the principals and teachers from lawsuits.
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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 12:11 PM by intrptr
reply to post by Anunaki10


There you go. They still do it. This is kinda off topic so last one. I thought these were pertinent:








Conformity, control, punishment. Violence begets violence. You beat a kid, then what does he take away form that lesson? Intimidation? Payback? Using force as an alternative to working things out? Does the teacher care? Not if they use a paddle or any other threatening means to extort capitulation. Embarrasing the kids in front of their classmates, exiling them from class or school even. Telling on them to their parents. Physical abuse.

Its a lazy shallow way of dealing with trouble in the classroom. Not widely practiced anymore but still on the books in some schools to protect teachers and schools from lawsuits.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 01:31 PM by Dookie Master
reply to post by windword





It will not be the first time I have seen some very idealistic, youthful teachers come through to teach history. I think she should stick to art history though...


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 01:40 PM by Furbs
Originally posted by Dookie Master
reply to
post by windword





It will not be the first time I have seen some very idealistic, youthful teachers come through to teach history. I think she should stick to art history though...


I happen to have a MA in Art History, I do not feel that she would be a good fit until she gets over her distrust of Academia, as Art History is -very much- standing on the shoulders of the giants before you.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 02:43 PM by Dookie Master
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She stated she enjoyed drawing and writing. I suggested she try education, maybe teaching art. Another poster suggested history, maybe because said poster saw that I was a history teacher. I commented in a jovial manner that she should try art history then. No offense to you or any of the other wonderful people that have a degree in art history.



reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 03:04 PM by Furbs
Originally posted by Dookie Master
reply to
post by Furbs



She stated she enjoyed drawing and writing. I suggested she try education, maybe teaching art. Another poster suggested history, maybe because said poster saw that I was a history teacher. I commented in a jovial manner that she should try art history then. No offense to you or any of the other wonderful people that have a degree in art history.


No offense taken, believe me.

I don't think the OP will be a good fit an -any- program until she can get away from what she thinks she has learned from the world already. Would she have any confidence in teachers that she thinks are brainwashed or lying? Probably not.

I would suggest she concern herself with getting an AA before deciding what program (if any) is right for her.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 03:30 PM by Dookie Master
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Indeed she does. When I suggested that she check into teaching it was tongue in cheek because she had such distrust for education.

Just a complete side question: are/were you an educator? I currently do not teach in a traditional setting. Here in the states we are on summer break and I am thinking about returning to the classroom. This negative of thinking about education in general makes me want to return to the classroom.
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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 08:46 PM by Shoujikina
Originally posted by shoeshiner
What is wrong with some of you? A 10 year old kid is meant to run around and have fun. There is no way she can comprehend this stuff at that age. Kids can be smart, no doubt about it, but I remember how vulnerable I was as a kid to what people say. This is like calling your little sis to watch a porno with you


This is correct.

I didn't read all the posts in this long thread yet, but I wish to make my comment already, because the core of the issue has been danced around so much, without actually hitting it very well.

The core thing is that a human has STAGES of DEVELOPMENT.

A child develops in phases or stages, and for each stage, his/her brain/chakras/comprehension capabilities/consciousness is developing in a specific way. Thus, a child has certain interests at younger ages that change drastically when the next phase gets to full swing.

The same goes with the capabilities of thinking, reasoning, and processing information, understanding ethics, compassion and so forth.

A 10-year old child is not in the appropriate stage to learn about 'the big picture' yet. He/she should be learning things appropriate for their development phase.

Children are not philosophers for a reason - I'd say only after the year 18, a developing human starts having a natural interest for the deeper subjects (though the strong hormones usually steer him/her in other directions), and starts to possess the early-adult information processing abilities.

Of course the stages do not end at the year 18, but I'd say that's the time when it's relatively "safe" to start giving them more 'difficult' and 'deep' information - though some teenagers already learn about these things during puberty.

But the perspective one has for life (and everything) changes throughout one's whole life, and at thirty years old, a human may see how his 18-year old self was very narrow in his/her perspective and limited in his/her thinking. At the age 18, one can't see very far, compared to the age 30.

And time passes again, and with experience and wisdom gained.. once again, one looks back at his/her 30-year old self and thinks: "What a brat I was!", having again the ability to see everything from a wider, larger and more detailed and full perspective.

A 10-year old kid, no matter how 'wise beyond his/her years' or 'intelligent' she or he may be, is still not developed enough, as far as brain and the chakra systems are considered, to receive and fully comprehend the kind of (seemingly biased and untrustworthy) 'information' that is involved with freemasons, conspiracy theories, roman sun gods and the like.

She is simply not in the appropriate phase yet for such knowledge, even if presented correctly and with facts and wisdom.

It's like the mother in Dr. Phil (yes, I know, but this was a long time ago) who taught her young (maybe 6 years old or so) son about sex in gruesome detail and the exact, scientific terminology. The kid was just embarrassed and confused, and wasn't even really interested.

Phil's advice was that the kid, should he ask, should be told about that appropriately according to his age. For example, very young kids only need to know that babies come from a seed that the dad puts in the mom's belly, and that's pretty much it. No need to talk about sperm, penises, vaginas, ejaculations, menstruation and the like.

This same wisdom, in my humble opinion, should be applied to that 'little sister' situation. If you must, and if she really wants to know, just give her information APPROPRIATELY ACCORDING TO HER AGE (and developmental phase). You can use more generic things, and talk about it more broadly and in a more simple way. You don't have to say christmas is evil, you can just say that it's fun to also remember the actual Christ on christmas, and not only the santa claus. Constructive and 'positive spin' on things usually helps. You can even read what the Christ tried to teach us, instead of hating the pagans or being upset and angry about Christmas celebrating on some other day than Christ's birthday. Just for the record, christmas isn't unholy, and easter isn't evil - it's the christmas BUNNY that's evil (because it's a lie), and the SANTA that's unholy (as a contrast to the Christ, who is holy)

By the way, esoterically thinking, each developmental phase has something to do with a given/specific chakra - that's why they say that humans evolve spiritually in 7 year cycles - that's when the cycle of the seven main chakras proceeds to the next level before it starts over again. But if you teach 6th chakra information to a kid in the 3rd chakra phase.. well, it can actually even affect her energy development, so you are playing with fire here. You can actually damage your sister without realizing it! (Read about Kundalini and it's dangers, especially 'kundalini psychosis')

This is why they say that little knowledge is dangerous.. because it really is!


reply posted on 13-6-2012 @ 12:34 AM by sean
Originally posted by SpaceJockey1
reply to
post by Murgatroid



Great add Murgatroid!

I didn't want to make my post too long, but you've covered another major area that I get hot under the collar about

I have a 9 and 11 yo in the public school system, and I make sure that they question things that they don't understand, and not to blindly just believe everything they are told at school. When home they can discuss what they are learning and expand with my knowledge to get a 'balanced' perspective


The school system is flawed. They believe everything they teach is correct and should never be challenged or questioned. Back when we was in school we was taught our furthest planet was Pluto. Now scientists changed their minds and say Pluto isn't a planet it's just a very big rock in orbit out there. It happens all the time like saying Milk is good, milk is bad it causes cancer, milk is good to drink, milk is bad. They can't make up their minds!
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