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My little sister gets suspended for conspiracy theorizing...?

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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by Murgatroid
 
Now let's talk about the brain and development.

You might think that you become fully mature when you turn 21 but new research suggests that your brain does not stop developing until your late 40s.



That's very interesting!! The older I get, the more I believe that!




posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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is the sister trying, intentionally, to cause the young lady harm by teaching her historical innacuracies?
Intentionally trying to cause harm? I don't think so. Intentionally suppressing true critical thinking? I think so.


if anything, the sister's intent is noble.
the sister intends to teach the young lady her perception of historical truths.
What does she teach about "truths" which are counter to her own perceptions?


regardless of the validity of the sister's "truths", intent rests within the motivation of the sister only.
intent cannot be factored objectively.

There are some strong indications of what her intent is and it has nothing to do with critical thought:

We can argue this all day, but it states plainly in the scripture not to mesh religions, and that includes religious customs... especially ones that portray to the worship of the sun, the moon, and the earth, which is also directly against the Bible.

I'm not making it evil by calling out it's origins. I'm just making it's evil known.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


the same situation that failed the older sister could be failing the younger sister.

Blame the system. Blame the teacher. No individual responsibility. Ok.
There is no doubt that this is a terrible situation (as it is described, terrible home situation with the older sister being forced to care for the younger because of a wicked stepmother and a father on drugs). It's a good thing that she has taken on the responsibility. But from what she has said, she should rethink the way she is raising her sister. It is certainly not to be a critical thinker.

Working against the teacher accomplishes nothing and in fact works against the younger sister's interests. Has the older sister spoken to the teacher? Has she spoken to the school administration? There is no indication of that. It seems that all she has is her younger sister's version of what has been occurring.

edit on 6/10/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
See, and here's the funny thing... she didn't actually give a particular conspiracy theory this time.

My little sister, who is ten years old, has been learning about all conspiracies since about four years ago, when I started learning about them and teaching her, when I was about 14. So, she's been learning them since about age 6 or 7, roughly.


You are not teaching her to "think." You're just giving her a religion. What you are doing is called indoctrination. It's like the Catholic Church freely admits. "If we can get to them young, they'll be Catholics for life". Why do Seventh Day Adventist kids believe what their church says? Why do Jews believe what they do? Why do people honestly believe that Jesus is their Savior? It's because they were taught at a young age to believe that stuff--just like you are teaching your younger sister.

I don't think the school's reaction is correct, but make no mistake that you are not teaching your sister to think; you're teaching her to repeat back what you tell her. You are proud of her in the same way a parent is proud when a ten year old proclaims, "Jesus is God!"

There's no real difference. Congratulations.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by RedBird22
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX
 


Where it's your sister there's not much you can do......but your parents have every right to go down there and fight them for this.


The step-mother called and tore into the step-sister who caused all of it, so chances are, the parents agree with the school.... as they should



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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I cannot emphasize this enough. Take the child out of the public school system.

I have never put my child in a public or private institution and she is way more intelligent than her peers, and has an understanding of what it means to be herself.

You cannot go to public school and have an identity, or any knowledge that does not fall in line with the given curriculum.

I have seen how some public schooled children behave, and it is frightening to me. They act institutionalized, and some have severe behavioral problems. Many teachers are abusive, and do not like children to begin with.

Many children do not belong in public school and do not respond well to the curriculum or the rules of the institution. They try to take a square peg and fit it into a round hole with every single child. The public school system is dangerous and antiquated.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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So when your teenager sneaks out, "borrows the car" and does something they shouldn't do then the parents are incompetent?
If your baby smears mashed potatoes in her hair then you're an incompetent parent?


you seem to be mis-understanding my position.

what i am looking for are quantifiable or qualifiable degrees of validity.

if a teenager "sneaks out, 'borrows the car' and does something that they shoudn't", then yes it could very much be argued that the parents are incompetent.
and they would be incompetent because of the arbtrary rules that they set.

how is borrowing the car either accurate or inaccurate?
or "(doing) something they shouldn't"?
how can validity or accuracy be attributed to either of those situations.

the exact same argument can be made for your baby throwing mashed pototoes example.

perceptions of recorded history, while not being valid, can most certainly be invalid.

let me give you an example. (this should ruffle some feathers)...

people who say the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible are making an invalid statement.
this is a logical fallacy.
it is the ubiquitous circular thinking fallacy.

but if someone doesn't understand, or more importantly, they have not been taught logic, then my statements are mis-understood.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).


I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.


Isn't that what takes place in school to begin with? IE: In Composition we are taught how to speak and write properly, so we merely repeat what we have learned. In History, we are taught the same, to repeat what it is we have been told.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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people who say the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible are making an invalid statement.
this is a logical fallacy. it is the ubiquitous circular thinking fallacy.

And that is exactly what the younger sister is being taught by the older.

We can argue this all day, but it states plainly in the scripture not to mesh religions, and that includes religious customs... especially ones that portray to the worship of the sun, the moon, and the earth, which is also directly against the Bible.

I'm not making it evil by calling out it's origins. I'm just making it's evil known.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 6/10/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).


I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.


Isn't that what takes place in school to begin with? IE: In Composition we are taught how to speak and write properly, so we merely repeat what we have learned. In History, we are taught the same, to repeat what it is we have been told.


Age appropriate.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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10 year olds dont need conspiracy talk!



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by PjZ101
reply to post by Annee
 


how do u knwo she doesnt understand or cant reason it out?


Oh I agree, because children are VERY intelligent. I believe that many children are dumbed down and cannot work to their fullest potential in school. As I said, fitting square pegs into round holes. Public school education is applied as a one size fits all for the most part. Having any thoughts or identity of your own does not fit into that round hole.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Jordan River
10 year olds dont need conspiracy talk!


Pffft. Tell you what, the night they broke in on the news to tell everyone that Bin Laden had been killed, my 9 year old said, "That's not true" before her father and I could get one word in.

Children are not stupid.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by PjZ101
reply to post by Annee
 


how do u knwo she doesnt understand or cant reason it out?


Oh I agree, because children are VERY intelligent. I believe that many children are dumbed down and cannot work to their fullest potential in school. As I said, fitting square pegs into round holes. Public school education is applied as a one size fits all for the most part. Having any thoughts or identity of your own does not fit into that round hole.


Oh Yeah! In 4th grade I wanted philosophical discussions on why people did what they did - - - not when or who won.

I was an odd kid. Bored out of my mind in school.

Still support the teacher in this - - - conspiracy theories on the scale her older sister was teaching her is not age appropriate for a 4 to 10 year old.
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).


I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.


Isn't that what takes place in school to begin with? IE: In Composition we are taught how to speak and write properly, so we merely repeat what we have learned. In History, we are taught the same, to repeat what it is we have been told.


Age appropriate.


They are teaching 10 year old children about the concentration camps in our curriculum here in our county. And you know what? I think THAT is too much for that age, but they are doing it. Last year they sent out notices on the school paper that is delivered by mail even if your child does not attend, warning parents that they were going to show the documentary Paper Clips and that the holocaust would be discussed.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).


I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.


Isn't that what takes place in school to begin with? IE: In Composition we are taught how to speak and write properly, so we merely repeat what we have learned. In History, we are taught the same, to repeat what it is we have been told.


Age appropriate.


They are teaching 10 year old children about the concentration camps in our curriculum here in our county.


I don't know what country that is. How in-depth the information goes - etc.

I would say the Native American massacres are probably age appropriate for 10 year olds - - - without going into in-depth details.




posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by kyviecaldges
reply to post by PurpleChiten
 



So when your teenager sneaks out, "borrows the car" and does something they shouldn't do then the parents are incompetent?
If your baby smears mashed potatoes in her hair then you're an incompetent parent?


you seem to be mis-understanding my position.

what i am looking for are quantifiable or qualifiable degrees of validity.

if a teenager "sneaks out, 'borrows the car' and does something that they shoudn't", then yes it could very much be argued that the parents are incompetent.
and they would be incompetent because of the arbtrary rules that they set.

how is borrowing the car either accurate or inaccurate?
or "(doing) something they shouldn't"?
how can validity or accuracy be attributed to either of those situations.

the exact same argument can be made for your baby throwing mashed pototoes example.

perceptions of recorded history, while not being valid, can most certainly be invalid.

let me give you an example. (this should ruffle some feathers)...

people who say the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible are making an invalid statement.
this is a logical fallacy.
it is the ubiquitous circular thinking fallacy.

but if someone doesn't understand, or more importantly, they have not been taught logic, then my statements are mis-understood.


No, you were insinuating the teacher was incompetent because the student was suspended, which may or may not be the case. The students know the rules and the consequences and if they choose to not follow the rules, they suffer the consequences. that is very logical.
...as far as ruffling feathers, I have no issue with the example you posted, it is circular thinking and is not logical. I also don't believe it to be the direct word of God, merely the word of men depicting what they see as their interaction with God, which may or may not be completely truthful and certainly has many contradictions in its text... that singular argument does not affect my faith or lack of faith in any way as it is rejected for being a fallacy in logic



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).


I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.



No, she is plenty old enough. If she's old enough to be taught lies, why is she not old enough to be taught truths? Why does she need to go through being taught misinfo only to have to overcome that later when she discovers the truth? That's some crazy talk if you ask me. It's why we are where we are today. Wow!!! Get out of your hole and think.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).


I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.


Isn't that what takes place in school to begin with? IE: In Composition we are taught how to speak and write properly, so we merely repeat what we have learned. In History, we are taught the same, to repeat what it is we have been told.


So you'll be able to function in society. If you wish to learn other things outside of the curriculum, you have been taught how to research and ask quesitons and are free to do that



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Bixxi3

Originally posted by Annee

Teaching to question is one thing.


DING DING DING we have a winner.


Teaching a kid to always question and ask why is a great thing!
It promotes a more inquisitive nature and I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of ATS members were the annoying little #s in the classroom always #ing asking why and never being satisfied.

edit on 9-6-2012 by Bixxi3 because: (no reason given)


I agree, but imagine a child going to public school and asking the teacher if Muslim extremists really flew planes into the WTC buildings, and that child saying they don't really believe it happened that way. The parents would be called lickity split!

The public school allows questions to only go so far. As long as they fall in line with what the curriculum. The teachers cannot go too far outside of it, or they would lose their jobs.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by PjZ101
reply to post by Annee
 


how do u knwo she doesnt understand or cant reason it out?


Oh I agree, because children are VERY intelligent. I believe that many children are dumbed down and cannot work to their fullest potential in school. As I said, fitting square pegs into round holes. Public school education is applied as a one size fits all for the most part. Having any thoughts or identity of your own does not fit into that round hole.


As long as the diagonal of the square peg is not greater than the diameter of the circular hole, it will fit just fine.




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