posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 08:18 PM
reply to posts by W3RLIED2 and network dude
Thank you very much. You have encouraged me to look more deeply into the subject and I am grateful to you both for that. I was especially inspired
to search by your agreement that the only thing keeping the Church and Masonry apart was politics.
This confused me. What politics are the Masons involved in that would conflict with what politics the Church is involved in? So I looked for reasons
for the animosity between the two, maybe I would find out that it is
politics after all.
I found a site that seemed to be basically one document. I forgot to get the link, but that doesn't really matter, I'll get it if you want it. My
question is, is he right about the Kadosh degree?
The two traditional enemies of Freemasonry are the royalty and the papacy. Masons even believe
that Christ, dying on Calvary, was the "greatest among the apostles of humanity, braving Roman despotism and the fanaticism and bigotry of the
priesthood." When one reaches the 30th degree in the masonic hierarchy, called the Kadosh, the person crushes with his foot the papal tiara and the
royal crown, and swears to free mankind "from the bondage of despotism and the thraldom of spiritual tyranny."
I kept looking and found a
site called Freemasoninformation. They had a Canon lawyer as a guest writer on the subject of the disagreement between Cathloics and Masons. He
wrote, among other things,
The next significant event in Catholic-Masonic relations occurred in talks that occurred over a six-year period
between 1974 and 1980 when representatives from the German Episcopal Conference held talks with a group representing the Grand Lodges of Germany. The
conclusion of the German Bishops’ Conference was:
“the Freemasons have essentially not changed. Membership [in the masons] places the foundations of Christian existence in question. Detailed
investigations of the Masonic rituals and fundamental ideas, and of their current, unchanged self-understanding make clear: Simultaneous membership in
the Catholic Church and freemasons is incompatible.”
Jenkins points out that “the bishops reached their unequivocal conclusion after having first considered the positive elements of Freemasonry,
including its humanitarian interests, charitable works, anti-materialist ideology, as well as the excellent personal qualities required of its
members.” He states that the bishop’s listed twelve areas of Masonic teaching that were at variance with the Church’s own belief, and with which
the Church could never reconcile itself:
I won't include all 12 (Wall of Text problem), but you can go yourself for the rest.
Canon Lawyer on the Dispute
Masonic World-view: The Masons promote a freedom from dogmatic adherence to any one set of revealed truths. Such a subjective relativism is in direct
conflict with the revealed truths of Christianity.
2.The Masonic Notion of Truth: The masons deny the possibility of an objective truth, placing every truth instead in a relative context.
3.The Masonic Notion of Religion: The Masonic teaching holds a relative notion of religions as all concurrently seeking the truth of the absolute.
The German Bishops'
position has been the dominant one ever since and explains the 1983 Declaration without having to bring politics into it.
Again, gentlemen, thank you very much for the encouragement you gave me.