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Originally posted by woodwytch
And the recent events would certainly have made a good case study for TPTB in a contained area (an island) ... to see just how people would react in a situation where vital technology and communications go down leaving people unable to access emergancy services or even buy provisions if they did not have cash.
Originally posted by woodwytch
Can you imagine if such an experiment were to be played out in a major city ... my guess is it would have resulted in looting again.
Originally posted by stumason
Originally posted by woodwytch
Ok ... judging by the main consensus it seems there is nothing untowards going on and all is as it should be ... as I said in the OP I was unsure whether to post or not as I certainly do not know enough about the military / MoD to make any solid claims ... I simply wanted to get some feedback from people who probably know more about such things than I ever will.
That's cool, asking questions is good and, even better, you seem to accept the explanations, unlike many round these parts
Originally posted by woodwytch
I would also like to hear from anyone that can confirm that damage to a BT fibre optic subsea cable could shutdown ATM's as well as phones and internet and most mobile networks ?
I still can't understand why the MoD would claim responsibility for the damage initially only to retract that statement and say it is cable theft ... also it isn't just the absence of BT engineers at the claimed location ... it is the absence of any engineers / technicians of any description ... and how could the school / hospital computers still be operational when everything else was dead.
>puts hand up< me me me!
Ok, to answer your first point, "how damage to a BT fibre optic subsea cable could shutdown ATM's as well as phones and internet and most mobile networks ?"
Well, ATM's need links bank to the banks, same with the mobile base stations and the phones, they are connected into core networks, hence why a break on the subsea cable could shut them off, as they cannot communicate. Mobile stations don't broadcast calls between themselves, but are connected via backbone fibre networks.
As for "and how could the school / hospital computers still be operational when everything else was dead.". Maybe they used a different supplier? Like my company? We didn't suffer a cable break that day and we do supply comms to such places like Hospitals, schools and business, so maybe they used us? Also, such places, especially Hospitals, have protected services so a break won't necessarily bring them down. Normal peeps don't have protection.
I can go into lot's of detail, but it would just be fluff. The jist of it is there. Maybe the MoD thought their sub had snared a cable, but actually found it wasn't them? The MoD is usually quite good at owning up when a sub has done something, especially since the furore after one sank a trawler years back.
Originally posted by AndyMayhew
Friends from Skye tell me this cable theft was a seriously issue, especially as mobile reception is poor on the island at the best of times. Of course, it also shows how reliant we have become on technology that can, quite literally, be cut off.
Only took a day to get it restored though.
btw: no complaints at Woody raising this and suggesting a 'possible conspiracy' - this is, after all, a conspiracy website - but kudos for humbly accepting the more boring, and likely, explanationedit on 10-6-2012 by AndyMayhew because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by definity
One thing that I probably would of assumed about mobile base stations is that surely that also can be wireless meaning they themselves can connect to another station wirelessly, they don't all need a cable backbone do they?
Originally posted by snoopyuk
Hi there Woody,
I used to work on the Isle of Rona on a test range that QinetiQ used for testing UAV`s and other tech.
They also have a less well known base on a smaller nearby Isle.
there is a lot of Mil people and places around that neck of the woods.
As a previous member has said the Mil Exercise is normally held in Galloway.
There are also a few places in Galloway that are used by QinetiQ ( and others ;-) ).
Originally posted by VoidHawk
I realise that suggestions made by stumason and others are the probable answer, however, none of these answers are proven so I'll add my twopence worth
Originally posted by VoidHawk
Probably the first priority would be to disable ALL communications. As most countries in the world do have mobile phones and internet etc then it makes sense to test their ability to knock out these devices. Also, because it is just a game it would make sense to leave hospitals etc alone.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
As those who are local say they have not seen any repairs being done could it be possible they were testing some kind of jamming device? A device that can target specific services? that would fit in with the hospital and schools being untouched and the fact no repairs appear to have taken place.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
Example. The signal on the phone lines that deliver broadband are actualy quite small, it would not take much interference to dissable these services without doiing any harm to the system. My own broadband refused to work when I used a heavy duty battery charger (home made switched mode) that was close to the phone socket.
Originally posted by stumason
The only device known to man that can "jam" an optical signal on fibre is a bolt cutter
Originally posted by VoidHawk
I realise that suggestions made by stumason and others are the probable answer, however, none of these answers are proven so I'll add my twopence worth
War games.
Probably the first priority would be to disable ALL communications. As most countries in the world do have mobile phones and internet etc then it makes sense to test their ability to knock out these devices. Also, because it is just a game it would make sense to leave hospitals etc alone.
As those who are local say they have not seen any repairs being done could it be possible they were testing some kind of jamming device? A device that can target specific services? that would fit in with the hospital and schools being untouched and the fact no repairs appear to have taken place.
Example. The signal on the phone lines that deliver broadband are actualy quite small, it would not take much interference to dissable these services without doiing any harm to the system. My own broadband refused to work when I used a heavy duty battery charger (home made switched mode) that was close to the phone socket.
Originally posted by stumason
Aye, because at that point your broadband (ADSL I presume as you mention the phone socket) is an electrical signal on copper as is very susceptible to EM interference
Originally posted by stumason
it only had to rumble with thunder before it started flaking out, let alone any actual visible lightning!
Originally posted by stumason
the coupler itself would introduce a certain amount of attenuation
Originally posted by stumason
Telco's have pretty tight security.
Originally posted by stumason
As for the copper side of life, yes, the military could blanket the area with massive amounts of EM radiation to disrupt comms,
Originally posted by VoidHawk
I disagree, it could attenuate, but it could also boost, or It could do what the user required. If anything were to be noticed I suspect it would be the extra time for the signals to pass through the device.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
We must remember woody was not suggesting criminal activity, he was suggesting military activity. so its VERY likely that the staff who usualy monitor these systems would find themselves on a health and safety course for the required dates.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
Why blanket the area? much better to hit specific targets.
Originally posted by VoidHawkWe should remember woody was suggesting this was a trial run for something. If thats the case then the MoD would have people at both ends. There would be those actively breaking in or denying access and others monitoring how effectively tasks were achieved.