Stoneage Artists Created Prehistoric Movies, page 1


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Topic started on 9-6-2012 @ 03:42 PM by elevenaugust
Yes! They used‭ ‬cartoon-like techniques to give the impression that wild beasts were trotting or running across cave walls‬...

That what a "new"* (see at the end of the article) study‭, from two French researchers (archaeologist Marc Azéma of the University of Toulouse–Le Mirail in France and independent French artist Florent Rivère) argued: about‭ ‬30,000‭ ‬years ago Paleolithic artists used "animation effects" in their paintings.



According to the researchers, this would explain multiple heads or limbs on some cave paintings.

"Prehistoric man foreshadowed one of the fundamental characteristics of visual perception, retinal persistence," Azéma and Rivère wrote.

Azéma, who spent ‭ ‬20‭ ‬years researching Stone Age animation techniques,‭ isolated 53 ‬figures in‭ ‬12‭ ‬French caves which superimpose two or more images to represent trot or gallop,‭ ‬head tossing and tail shaking.‭

"Lascaux is the cave with the greatest number of cases of split-action movement by superimposition of successive images. Some 20 animals, principally horses, have the head, legs or tail multiplied," Azéma said.

When the paintings are viewed by flickering torchlight, the animated effect "achieves its full impact," said Azéma.

"That such animation was intentional is endorsed by the likely use of incised disks as thaumatropes," he added.




Rivère examined Magdalenian bone discs -- objects found in the Pyrenees, the north of Spain and the Dordogne which measure about 1.50 inches in diameter.

Often pierced in their centre, the discs have been generally interpreted as buttons or pendants.

"Given that some are decorated on both sides with animals shown in different positions, we realized that another type of use, relating to sequential animation, was possible," the researchers said.


* Source is Discovery News, however, it was known since 2005: it is based on Azéma’s Ph.D. thesis research, which he summarized in a 2005 paper for the International Newsletter On Rock Art, which is edited by French cave art expert Jean Clottes.

Azéma shows how cave artists created the sensation of movement in the animals they drew both by superimposing multiple numbers of legs, heads, and other body parts and by orienting groups of animals in dynamic ways that suggest motion, which is similar to what animators do today. In the Lascaux Cave, for example, some 20 horses were drawn with multiple heads, legs, or tails. One Lascaux horse was drawn with five superimposed heads and several manes. Similar techniques were used at La Marche Cave in France’s Vienne department, where a horse was drawn with so many heads, tails, and backsides that it looks like a blur on the cave wall.



Azéma finds such animation techniques even in the earliest known cave art, at the 32,000-year-old Chauvet Cave in the French Ardèche (see panel above), where a bison is drawn with eight legs. Azéma even suggests that the artist who painted Chauvet’s famous Horse Panel, which features four superbly drawn horses’ heads, might have intended to depict one horse in motion—although he adds that it is not possible to know for sure.

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reply posted on 9-6-2012 @ 04:39 PM by cranspace
reply to post by bobs_uruncle





Rhino's are considerably south and in sub-Sahara Africa, the last I checked anyway. It makes me question the age of these prehistoric murals, unless of course there is a logical explanation?


Rhinos were not indigenous to just Africa 30 000 years ago they were on many continents

Cran



reply posted on 9-6-2012 @ 04:46 PM by LightSpeedDriver
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Are you saying that the animal depicted at the bottom left is a rhino? It could also be a warthog, multiple tusks are present on some warthogs but the curl kinda hints at it too maybe.



Some warthogs have 3 and 4 sets of tusks too. Just a thought.


reply posted on 9-6-2012 @ 05:31 PM by elevenaugust
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Yes, it's a rhino, and you can find lots of others rhino's representation as well in the Chauvet Cave:







Two species survived the most recent period of glaciation and inhabited Europe as recently as 10,000 years ago.


Source


reply posted on 9-6-2012 @ 07:19 PM by SLAYER69
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I'd like to see all those who call man of that period primitive to all get out their pencils and paper and try drawing those animals as well as they did....







reply posted on 9-6-2012 @ 07:38 PM by Monger
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They're definitely rhinos. These people were known to hunt and kill them, and even looking at the images they recorded it's clear what they are. There's no mistaking it.


reply posted on 10-6-2012 @ 03:50 AM by Extralien
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Got to agree with you big time..

Just the ability to draw in this manner is not only showing superior skill, but also memory, technique and an importance of wanting to preserve the images for future generations.

There is so much more going on here than meets the eye.

I could not do that. Given the tools they had at the time, just gives you more of an impact as to how clever these images are, and the people who painted them.

IMO, these pictures have come from a knowledge far beyond the time they were painted. These would have been skills that must have been taught and passed down along a chain of decades, perhaps hundreds, of years. This is not something you just up and do when you feel like it.

My problem with that, though, is where are the very first ones? Why do we see superb art like this, but very little of 'stick men and stick animals'?
Where is the progression from very basic images to this type of colourful artisitic expression?

Did we have some form of society before we became 'cavemen'? Are these skills the remains of something that was, in itself, far superior to the time of the cave artists?

Incredible pictures.. needs far more research done on them.


reply posted on 11-6-2012 @ 07:03 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by SLAYER69
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post by elevenaugust




I'd like to see all those who call man of that period primitive to all get out their pencils and paper and try drawing those animals as well as they did....






Absolutely my friend. The mind of man, even in its most simple state, is not primitive. Ours is a mind capable of abstract thought. Not just capable, but wired completely for abstract thought. To such a degree that concrete thinking is considered a symptom of mental illness.

This is a great thread, proposing a great concept that honestly has me thinking. Great post, OP.
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