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Everyone’s a Little Bit Racist, but It May Not Be Your Fault

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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by LeTan
 


One definition of Racism is that it is the political system that uses people's bigotry to maintain the status quo.

For example: A cop with bigoted attitudes towards blacks profiles and pulls over a car full of black people. The profiling is bigotry, but the fact it is done by an agent of the state makes it racism.The state benefits from this racism because it re-enforces the class/race divisions which keep the wealthy in power.

Make sense?



or


a group of black men rape a white woman, because they have the "power" to do so, and, quite possibly, have been fed a group division, victim agenda by knobheads

makes sense?




posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by The_Oracle

Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by LeTan



rac·ism    [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


You can't be a little bit racist. On this issue, it's all or nothing. You are either a racist, or you aren't.


There are different levels. Take two people that are racist. While they are both racist, one doesn't mind the murdering of other people based on their skin color, while the other is against that.

Are they equally racist?
edit on 9-6-2012 by satron because: (no reason given)


They kind of are,the only difference is that one takes it one step further with murder.That doesn't make it any more or less racist.


Kind of?



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by The_Oracle

Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by LeTan



rac·ism    [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


You can't be a little bit racist. On this issue, it's all or nothing. You are either a racist, or you aren't.


There are different levels. Take two people that are racist. While they are both racist, one doesn't mind the murdering of other people based on their skin color, while the other is against that.

Are they equally racist?
edit on 9-6-2012 by satron because: (no reason given)


They kind of are,the only difference is that one takes it one step further with murder.That doesn't make it any more or less racist.


Kind of?


Definitely. There you go..



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by LeTan
 


One definition of Racism is that it is the political system that uses people's bigotry to maintain the status quo.

For example: A cop with bigoted attitudes towards blacks profiles and pulls over a car full of black people. The profiling is bigotry, but the fact it is done by an agent of the state makes it racism.The state benefits from this racism because it re-enforces the class/race divisions which keep the wealthy in power.

Make sense?



or


a group of black men rape a white woman, because they have the "power" to do so, and, quite possibly, have been fed a group division, victim agenda by knobheads

makes sense?


I don't understand how this situation falls into racism. Can you elaborate on why you quoted "power"?



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by LeTan

Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by LeTan



rac·ism    [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


You can't be a little bit racist. On this issue, it's all or nothing. You are either a racist, or you aren't.


There are different levels. Take two people that are racist. While they are both racist, one doesn't mind the murder of other people based on their skin color, while the other is against that.

Are they equally racist?
edit on 9-6-2012 by satron because: (no reason given)


You never stated what makes the person who is opposed to the murder a racist. If he's a racist because he thinks that a certain race is inferior but does not support the murder of them, yes, he's just as racist as the person who supports it.


Why does it matter in my hypothetical situation?


You're right, it shouldn't matter. I still stand on my view that they are still equally racist.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by The_Oracle

Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by The_Oracle

Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by LeTan



rac·ism    [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


You can't be a little bit racist. On this issue, it's all or nothing. You are either a racist, or you aren't.


There are different levels. Take two people that are racist. While they are both racist, one doesn't mind the murdering of other people based on their skin color, while the other is against that.

Are they equally racist?
edit on 9-6-2012 by satron because: (no reason given)


They kind of are,the only difference is that one takes it one step further with murder.That doesn't make it any more or less racist.


Kind of?


Definitely. There you go..


I think there's a big difference between covert racism and extreme racism. I don't understand how you can't see the difference.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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I guess because when it comes to an issue of racism, I see it as hate. Hate is hate, there may be different forms, but in the end, it is still hate.

Is putting racism on a scale, a subversive way of justifying it?



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by LeTan
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I guess because when it comes to an issue of racism, I see it as hate. Hate is hate, there may be different forms, but in the end, it is still hate.

Is putting racism on a scale, a subversive way of justifying it?


I agree with this.Hate is the same,the way you act on it differs,but has no connection to how much you hate.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by LeTan
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I guess because when it comes to an issue of racism, I see it as hate. Hate is hate, there may be different forms, but in the end, it is still hate.

Is putting racism on a scale, a subversive way of justifying it?


I've met overtly racist people and I've met closet racists. My grandmother is a closet racist. There are HUGE differences in their behavior. So there must be different levels of racism.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by LeTan
reply to post by satron
 


I guess because when it comes to an issue of racism, I see it as hate. Hate is hate, there may be different forms, but in the end, it is still hate.

Is putting racism on a scale, a subversive way of justifying it?


I've met overtly racist people and I've met closet racists. My grandmother is a closet racist. There are HUGE differences in their behavior. So there must be different levels of racism.


I see. However, what would happen if we put your grandmother in a room with 8 black guys for two hours, and then put in a room with 8 white guys for two hours. Would her reaction be different in these two scenarios?

And comparing closet racists to an overly racist is like comparing a serial killer to a murderer. They are both murderers, one has just taken more lives.

What do you think about that?
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by LeTan

Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by LeTan
reply to post by satron
 


I guess because when it comes to an issue of racism, I see it as hate. Hate is hate, there may be different forms, but in the end, it is still hate.

Is putting racism on a scale, a subversive way of justifying it?


I've met overtly racist people and I've met closet racists. My grandmother is a closet racist. There are HUGE differences in their behavior. So there must be different levels of racism.


I see. However, what would happen if we put your grandmother in a room with 8 black guys for two hours, and then put in a room with 8 white guys for two hours. Would her reaction be different in these two scenarios?


She would probably be more reserved and scared for her safety with the black guys.

EDIT: For the follow-up question, the same difference between a racist that lynched one person and a racist that lynched multiple people.
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Then she is just as equally a racist because the distrust and fear is still there. Just because one racist is less verbal or open with their hate, it does not mean they are any less racist.

Why would she be more uncomfortable with the black guys just because of their skin?

Both men lynched, there is no difference.
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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Makes me laugh that these people believe they know
how everyone thinks and feels. These people come
with this crap all the time.

I can saftly say i dont have a racist bone in my body. I look
at everyone as humans and individuals. If a white person is
bad, i dont think to myself " thats a bad white person" instead
i will say to myself "he/she is a bad human being.

I hate any form of racism, but i know we live in a horrible,
violent and hateful world



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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I'm racist and it's not my fault, it's the black kids who stole my bike, the black teens who stole my car, and that black guy that pulled a gun on me faults.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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There's a difference. Levels of racism, Google it.

I doubt the guys in the room would even be able to tell that she was racist. She definitely isn't on the same level as this guy.



If you can't see that there are different levels, then we are going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not sure how else to put it to you.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Yes, I'm afraid so my friend. Although your grandmother may not be as zealous about it, she still has the stain of hate on her heart.

It's not about how anyone else sees you, it's how you see yourself. Just because someone else cannot see that you are a racist, does not make you any less of a racist to yourself.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by LeTan
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Yes, I'm afraid so my friend. Although your grandmother may not be as zealous about it, she still has the stain of hate on her heart.

It's not about how anyone else sees you, it's how you see yourself. Just because someone else cannot see that you are a racist, does not make you any less of a racist to yourself.


It didn't stain her so much that she has genocidal inclinations.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Stop telling me what I am. Thanks.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Nope. What you describe is not systemic, institutionalized racism unless the men you describe have state-backed political power, which, obviously, they dont.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by LeTan
reply to post by stanguilles7
 




Racism is a burden. A heavy sense of responsibility looms over us as a people for letting this go unchecked for far too long.

How do we break this indoctrination?


Interesting question. How do we break it? I don't think is a magic bullet, so to speak. One has to be constantly aware of their own programming, and be ready to address it in every instance. That can be incredibly challenging and difficult.

Believe it or not, there are some incredibly enlightening workshops you can attend if you live in the right area. I attended a few many years ago in rural North Carolina that allowed people of all races the opportunity to talk about their experience and learn from each other. As a white guy, t helped me understand my own racism and my place in the larger system a LOT more than i had previously.

here's but one program:

www.pisab.org...




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