The Black gate leads to Mordor...
Seriously though, I love the security around Area 51, every thing seems so out of place in the middle of no where.
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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 02:35 AM by gariac
reply to post by FosterVS
I use the 24k CA/NV topo mapsource from Garmin. It is close enough on the border, but I never trust it. I always look for signs. The waypoint you indicated for the photo is still well in free territory.
I did a bit of research tonight on the legal description of the NTTR. It looks like good old Glenn Campbell is the only person that has the parcels indicated online. I'm going to contact the BLM and see if they can send me the latest legal description.
Note that the land grab for Freedom Ridge and White Sides were never renewed. That knowledge of course won't stop the dudes from arresting you.
I never talked to the BLM Vegas office, but I can say the BLM office in Tonopah is great. Nice people that want to help you. When I first did Stonewall, they helped me figure out where I was crossing the border (cant' be helped) and how to behave out there as to not piss off the USAF.
Nellis range legal description
Before I put some time into this, I would like to make sure I have the most up to date description. Even with the legal description, I wouldn't cross the line. But what I would like is a planning tool for places I can explore with some likelihood of the area not being behind the line when I get there.
Between the BLM and the recorder's office, you can generally figure out the free territory. For instance, the Nye County recorder's office confirmed that the "no trespassing" sign near route 6 heading up to Halligan Mesa is illegal. I suspect they would say the new restrictions on stopping your vehicle in that stretch of Tybo Road adjacent to Base Camp is also illegal. It is a public road.
The deal is anyone can put up a sign. What matters is the legal force behind that sign. The Nye County sheriff probably doesn't give a damn if you drive up to Halligan Mesa as long as you stay outside the fenced off land. I verified this land is considered private by the Nye County Recorder's office. But Lincoln County is another story. The law is whatever they make up. The cammo dudes are in cahoots with the Sheriff's Department. They don't need no stinkin' badges.
Aaron Sorkin did two episodes about some redneck Sheriff in Nevada on "Studio 60", but it was set in Pahrump. John Goodman played the sheriff. My thoughts were wrong county! The Nye Sheriffs department seems to be a decent group (I won't elaborate on how I know), but Lincoln County is another story. As I have said before, the residents of Lincoln County take care of business themselves. They don't call the cops.
I use the 24k CA/NV topo mapsource from Garmin. It is close enough on the border, but I never trust it. I always look for signs. The waypoint you indicated for the photo is still well in free territory.
I did a bit of research tonight on the legal description of the NTTR. It looks like good old Glenn Campbell is the only person that has the parcels indicated online. I'm going to contact the BLM and see if they can send me the latest legal description.
Note that the land grab for Freedom Ridge and White Sides were never renewed. That knowledge of course won't stop the dudes from arresting you.
I never talked to the BLM Vegas office, but I can say the BLM office in Tonopah is great. Nice people that want to help you. When I first did Stonewall, they helped me figure out where I was crossing the border (cant' be helped) and how to behave out there as to not piss off the USAF.
Nellis range legal description
Before I put some time into this, I would like to make sure I have the most up to date description. Even with the legal description, I wouldn't cross the line. But what I would like is a planning tool for places I can explore with some likelihood of the area not being behind the line when I get there.
Between the BLM and the recorder's office, you can generally figure out the free territory. For instance, the Nye County recorder's office confirmed that the "no trespassing" sign near route 6 heading up to Halligan Mesa is illegal. I suspect they would say the new restrictions on stopping your vehicle in that stretch of Tybo Road adjacent to Base Camp is also illegal. It is a public road.
The deal is anyone can put up a sign. What matters is the legal force behind that sign. The Nye County sheriff probably doesn't give a damn if you drive up to Halligan Mesa as long as you stay outside the fenced off land. I verified this land is considered private by the Nye County Recorder's office. But Lincoln County is another story. The law is whatever they make up. The cammo dudes are in cahoots with the Sheriff's Department. They don't need no stinkin' badges.
Aaron Sorkin did two episodes about some redneck Sheriff in Nevada on "Studio 60", but it was set in Pahrump. John Goodman played the sheriff. My thoughts were wrong county! The Nye Sheriffs department seems to be a decent group (I won't elaborate on how I know), but Lincoln County is another story. As I have said before, the residents of Lincoln County take care of business themselves. They don't call the cops.
reply posted on 13-6-2012 @ 11:42 PM by FosterVS
Originally posted by gariac
reply to post by FosterVS
Between the BLM and the recorder's office, you can generally figure out the free territory. For instance, the Nye County recorder's office confirmed that the "no trespassing" sign near route 6 heading up to Halligan Mesa is illegal. I suspect they would say the new restrictions on stopping your vehicle in that stretch of Tybo Road adjacent to Base Camp is also illegal. It is a public road.
Umm, it's "trespassing" guys.
I didn't test the theory, like a lot of things I wish I did while I was just there but never did... however it states "both sides of roadway for one mile". So in theory if I stay ON the roadway, I can take pictures, breakdance, do a jig in my underpants, and they can't do a damn thing. Assuming 1) you aren't travelling alone, as I was, and/or 2) you can document whatever shenanigans they decide to pull.
The deal is anyone can put up a sign. What matters is the legal force behind that sign. The Nye County sheriff probably doesn't give a damn if you drive up to Halligan Mesa as long as you stay outside the fenced off land. I verified this land is considered private by the Nye County Recorder's office. But Lincoln County is another story. The law is whatever they make up. The cammo dudes are in cahoots with the Sheriff's Department. They don't need no stinkin' badges.
"The cammo dudes are in cahoots with the Sheriff's Department."
As I confirmed in my email to you. Pulled over by the Sheriff/Deputy in Alamo, as I was being a dumbass reading a text whilst driving, and weaving with the Sheriff/Deputy right behind me. After running my info, he informed me the camo dudes had called them twice that day to run my plates, even though I had not crossed the border. Visited a number of gates, yes, while they observed me from a distance the entire time. Nice guy, let me go with a warning.
reply posted on 16-6-2012 @ 04:48 PM by gariac
reply to post by badman6
The UK tested the Typhoon at Groom Lake. But that doesn't mean you get to see the secret projects. Need to know applies here.
The UK tested the Typhoon at Groom Lake. But that doesn't mean you get to see the secret projects. Need to know applies here.
reply posted on 3-7-2012 @ 08:50 PM by surfnow
reply to post by viperdave
your not going to go to jail. you will get a steep fine an scared not to enter there again.
your not going to go to jail. you will get a steep fine an scared not to enter there again.
reply posted on 8-7-2012 @ 10:56 AM by Deltalabs
Originally posted by surfnow
reply to post by viperdave
your not going to go to jail. you will get a steep fine an scared not to enter there again.
Correct, I visited the area last year (september 2011), what i was told by officials is that first time offenders usually get fined around $600.
reply posted on 8-7-2012 @ 05:34 PM by gariac
reply to post by Deltalabs
What officials gave you the value of the fine? The camo dudes rarely talk to anyone. Did they send the deputy?
I'm sure the fine is in that range, but if what you mean by officials are the staff of the Little Aleinn... well they often have incorrect information. It is a good place to get some ice for the cooler, and sometimes the food is OK, but don't take their advice to heart.
What officials gave you the value of the fine? The camo dudes rarely talk to anyone. Did they send the deputy?
I'm sure the fine is in that range, but if what you mean by officials are the staff of the Little Aleinn... well they often have incorrect information. It is a good place to get some ice for the cooler, and sometimes the food is OK, but don't take their advice to heart.
reply posted on 8-7-2012 @ 06:34 PM by Deltalabs
Originally posted by gariac
reply to post by Deltalabs
What officials gave you the value of the fine? The camo dudes rarely talk to anyone. Did they send the deputy?
I'm sure the fine is in that range, but if what you mean by officials are the staff of the Little Aleinn... well they often have incorrect information. It is a good place to get some ice for the cooler, and sometimes the food is OK, but don't take their advice to heart.
We asked a cop/sheriff ? in Alamo, he was not to surprised when we said we would be visiting Rachel/Groom Lake Road, he even told us of the risks of travelling in the Desert.
reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 12:03 AM by gariac
reply to post by Deltalabs
OK. That is obviously a good source.
You need a full size spare in the desert. You have to expect to get a flat now and then. Also carry a ridiculous amount of water. Fill up in town. I generally bring a 2.5 gallon can with me and top off the tank once I hit the range.
The fuel situation out there is terrible since the Quick Pick shutdown. Your next gas after Alamo is Tonopah. I have no idea if the gas station on route 6 by the Lockes is still in business. There have been times when I had to head back to Tonopah just to get gas, and then back track to the ET Highway. Off road driving really gets poor gas mileage. No so much just driving the well groomed roads like the ones leading to the front or back gate, but rather going to the remote areas.
A good tip is to keep your distance from any mine. It is OK to go there and look at the old equipment, but there is debris around the mines to puncture a tire.
If you use a rental car, they invariably don't have a full size spare or off-road tires.
OK. That is obviously a good source.
You need a full size spare in the desert. You have to expect to get a flat now and then. Also carry a ridiculous amount of water. Fill up in town. I generally bring a 2.5 gallon can with me and top off the tank once I hit the range.
The fuel situation out there is terrible since the Quick Pick shutdown. Your next gas after Alamo is Tonopah. I have no idea if the gas station on route 6 by the Lockes is still in business. There have been times when I had to head back to Tonopah just to get gas, and then back track to the ET Highway. Off road driving really gets poor gas mileage. No so much just driving the well groomed roads like the ones leading to the front or back gate, but rather going to the remote areas.
A good tip is to keep your distance from any mine. It is OK to go there and look at the old equipment, but there is debris around the mines to puncture a tire.
If you use a rental car, they invariably don't have a full size spare or off-road tires.
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