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Originally posted by Xcathdra
How quickly you forget and downplay the 7/7 attacks on your subway system. Or the attacks on the Spanish train network. Appeasement does not nor has it ever worked, and as a European with UK / British citizenship you should know first hand what im referring to.
Will you be sending a letter to the POTUS advising him as such?
Then, 2008 the number skyrocketed to 33...
Chilling statement.
Do you consider your freedom and your life a luxury then?
So I ask you again, would you be comfortable with UK armed forces acting in such a manner as we are discussing here in the USA - a nation which housed NORAID and several pro-IRA groups - defending itself from terrorist attacks, if the UK drafted a similar set of laws and delcaration.
And yes, the US government cooperated with Britain with regard to the IRA. In the same manner Pakistan has cooperated with the USA with regard to Al Quaeda. Yet the US now carries out attacks regardless of Pakistans opinion.
Originally posted by Danbones
the US passed a law allowing sex with beasties in the baraks
that don't make it right either
Originally posted by Danbones
Pakistan is an ALLY
Originally posted by Danbones
to be killing the innocent there is the supremem hall mark of who the real Terrorists are
the same government that did 911
Originally posted by Danbones
preemptive attack based oin false flag is a NAZI thing
Originally posted by neformore
Your logic here appears to be that because I don't see something your way, I must not care about everything else. Its failed logic. Its an attempt at smearing that actually is quite hollow.
Originally posted by neformore
See, I don't forget those events and nor do I downplay them. But those events didn't exist in isolation. Its a big world.
Originally posted by neformore
Blind revenge is not a strategy.
Originally posted by neformore
I don't forget the bombings in London, Manchester, Warrington etc undertaken by the IRA. In fact, I was present at two of them. I was evacuated from Manchester City Centre, and was 10-15 minutes away from the Warrington explosion.
Originally posted by neformore
So I ask you again, would you be comfortable with UK armed forces acting in such a manner as we are discussing here in the USA - a nation which housed NORAID and several pro-IRA groups - defending itself from terrorist attacks, if the UK drafted a similar set of laws and delcaration.
Originally posted by neformore
And yes, the US government cooperated with Britain with regard to the IRA. In the same manner Pakistan has cooperated with the USA with regard to Al Quaeda. Yet the US now carries out attacks regardless of Pakistans opinion.
Originally posted by neformore
I assume you'd be fine with it. You are fine with the same thing happening elsewhere.
Originally posted by neformore
Got to love this
"You're not military, you won't understand" stuff.
Heres how I read that - "I don't like your point of view because its inconvenient for me to contemplate it, and you aren't part of the US forces, and therefore you don't matter"
It kinda goes along with the other viewpoint being expressed here which is "The US congress passed it, the world just has to deal with it"
How patronising.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
By trying to constantly invoke a courtroom argument into a theater of war makes no sense because the 2 are NOT compatible in the least.
Originally posted by drwizardphd
What war?
When was war declared?
Did I miss something?
Facts are your friend..
Originally posted by Danbones
Pakistan is an ALLY
No they aren't.
en.wikipedia.org...
Pakistan is a Major non-NATO ally of the United States and also the second-largest supplier of military equipment to Pakistan after China, and largest economic aid contributor as well.[2][3][4]....
...Pakistan – United States relations or Pakistan-American relations, refers to the international, historical, and cultural bilateral relationship between the State of Pakistan and the United States, with both countries first establishing diplomatic relations on October 20, 1947, roughly two months after the establishment of the former country after the Indian partition by Great Britain. With the United States being among the very first nations to have established relations with Pakistan, the relationship since then has been based primarily on U.S. economic and military assistance to Pakistan
Originally posted by Danbones
to be killing the innocent there is the supremem hall mark of who the real Terrorists are
the same government that did 911
How are they innocent?
Al Queida is a terrorist group, not a government.
Even days after the alleged atrocity unfolded, no evidence has been produced to match the torrent of sensational headlines now being exploited by the West and the UN to justify another round of condemnation and threats against the Syrian government. As with all atrocities committed with impeccable timing to be paraded out before the world on the eve of pivotal UN meetings, little more than “activist” hearsay is used to condemn the Syrian government to more foreign pressure and edge it ever closer to a US-engineered sectarian war planned as early as 2007. Kofi Annan as well, after posing as “peacemaker” for months, finally dropped all pretenses and credibility to “blame” the Syrian government for the failure of his plan, a deceitful ploy from the very beginning. Western policy makers openly admit that the goal in Syria is not to restore peace and order, but to topple the government, even if it means purposefully, and indefinitely prolonging the violence to do so. Brookings Institution in their Mar 2012 Middle East Memo #21 “Assessing Options for Regime Change (.pdf),” openly states that:
The US might still arm the opposition
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Danbones
Britain is an ally of the US.
Pakistan is not an ally....
and bring it
Hillary Clinton Admits the U.S. Government Created al-Qaeda
Got to love this
"You're not military, you won't understand" stuff.
Heres how I read that - "I don't like your point of view because its inconvenient for me to contemplate it, and you aren't part of the US forces, and therefore you don't matter"
It kinda goes along with the other viewpoint being expressed here which is "The US congress passed it, the world just has to deal with it"
How patronising.
Really? Going on that logic then the more drones in the sky, the more killing.
Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by burntheships
The increase in drone strikes has more to do with the increased procurement for
drone operations (more drones in the sky).
In 2007, drone-enabled commands were looking at some serious manpower surges and had active recruiting into their communities from aviation and related commands.
Freedom and life are a responsibility - not a right. They are a set of statuses that must be
established and maintained with vigilance.
If I were to draw down on you with a firearm... what are you going to do? Pull out the Constitution?
Where's my trial when you act in self defense?
If someone is going to rape your wife - where's his (or her) trial when you act in her defense?
There is none.
The power is in motion to take or seriously damage a life and you choose to take
the steps to prevent it or you choose to allow it.
Really? Going on that logic then the more drones in the sky, the more killing.
Drones equal cars on the freeway do they? The more cars on the freeway the more
accidents the more deaths. Drones do not equal cars on the highway.
Your logic fails. Drones have targets....
Someone is authorizing a "kill list" those would be otherwise known as targets.
Last I checked with the NYT it was the POTUS. Or we can wait for the Hollywood
version.
If a drone strikes you from the sky on your property, what are you going to do?
Where is your trial when your dead?
If someone shoots your wife from the sky what is your defense? Where was hers?
As I pointed out earlier, you are ok with that, as long as your on the "strike" panel.
When its you below your logic fails you.