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Originally posted by cloudyday
Something that might be useful to clarify is who has the free will. Like here are several different models:
(1) Buddhist-like model - just God with free will controlling everybody
(2) Christian model - God plus one soul per person per life plus angels and demons
(3) Reincarnation model - many lives per soul but each soul only controls one life at a time
(4) Fisherman model - one fisherman controlling many different fishing poles (lives) at the same time
(5) Toontown model - many entities controlling many lives simultaneously - script writers, animators, editors, and an audience to laugh at us.edit on 8-6-2012 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by stupid girl
Assuming it is true that God allows randomness at a quantum level of physics, we would thus also conclude that the outcome of that randomness could only result in ultimately perpetuating to uphold all things.
"If God is immanent in and acting in all creatures, then necessarily God is acting at the quantum level........the laws of quantum mechanics are only statistical and therefore not subject to violation [of interventionism]. If, as most interpreters conclude, events at this level are genuinely indeterminate, then there need be no competition between divine action and physical causation."
Originally posted by cloudyday
. With quantum mechanics, we really can't predict anything with absolute certainty. Even the orbits of the planets are probably subject to very unlikely outcomes at the quantum level that could make them unpredictable.
Originally posted by stupid girl
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Which basically means God is in control and constantly interacting with creation at a quantum level. Where scientists see randomness and probabilities, they are seeing God determine how the dice fall in quantum mechanics.
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Originally posted by stupid girl
As stated by Nancy Murphy, PhD,
"If God is immanent in and acting in all creatures, then necessarily God is acting at the quantum level........the laws of quantum mechanics are only statistical and therefore not subject to violation [of interventionism]. If, as most interpreters conclude, events at this level are genuinely indeterminate, then there need be no competition between divine action and physical causation."
Originally posted by stupid girl
Which basically means God is in control and constantly interacting with creation at a quantum level. Where scientists see randomness and probabilities, they are seeing God determine how the dice fall in quantum mechanics.
Originally posted by stupid girl
The first thing that came to mind when I read this was if that were true, then wouldn't it render "free will" moot?
If God was controlling the dice, then free will would ultimately be an illusion wouldn't it?
If the apparently "random" events at the quantum level are all specific, intentional "acts of God", then does that negate and neuter our personal choices?
(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
(29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."
John 14:20
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
John 15:4
Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
John 17:20-23
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one — 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Originally posted by stupid girl
I wish I could give you more stars.
Or a hand shake, or at the very least, a really cold beer.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Seriously though – I think there are probably more people out there than just myself, who are aware of what I’m talking about, and maybe they would have articulated it differently, or even better than I have myself.
But aside from all the intellectual theorizing and the dialectic gymnastics, which we go through, (which is good in itself) to try and explain this stuff; there is also a real element to all this, which is meant to be experienced.
Originally posted by stupid girl
The book is called "The Bible, Physics and the Abilities of Fallen Angels" by Paradox Brown.
Originally posted by stupid girl
I bought it off of Amazon. I'm almost done with it and was thinking about doing one more discussion thread on the topic of the Plank scale, string theory and the extra dimensions required by it, and as to how that all relates to manifestations and miracles still falling within the parameters of and still respectful of and true to God's creation and what we understand about the Laws of Physics…
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…The book also touches on "imaginary time" versus "real time" and how a human being can perceive an extended amount of time in what is actually a short amount of linear time.
Originally posted by Angle
reply to post by stupid girl
An answer that was fruit of the biblequote in your OP. God is still creating all and everything. He is outside all things keeping/(holding) them together. BWAR.
Originally posted by Angle
That was the astonishment of my sick brother posessing me mentaly.
Originally posted by stupid girl
Originally posted by Angle
That was the astonishment of my sick brother posessing me mentaly.
Why is he sick?
Are you trying to say that your brother is getting on your nerves?
LOL...I love the words you use sometimes. I would probably sound like a total idiot if I tried to speak Norwegian or Dutch... so it's probably best that we just continue to work on your English