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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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You yanks needed corporations to run your lives, the corporations collapsed and now it's everyones problem.
Got a little news for you. Corporations are global.... They run you too.

And most of Europe is in fine fiscal shape? What alternate reality is that from?


Thats ok, dont be harsh, he's in denial, that or Glenda the good witch of the north dropped a house on his sister.

He's here to defend the crown, derail this thread, and prove his point.....what that is......i have no idea.......


You are right though, Europe gonna tank......




posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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Imagine if you had a house of lords, Bush would never have gotten in, they would have stopped it.

Your lords let Blair in, didn't they?


He was Bush with a Limey accent.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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Imagine if you had a house of lords, Bush would never have gotten in, they would have stopped it.

Your lords let Blair in, didn't they?


He was Bush with a Limey accent.


Difference is Blair won the elections fair and square, bush didn't.

I'd rather have this accent and country than your disgusting accents and digusting nation.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:24 AM
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Difference is Blair won the elections fair and square, bush didn't.
And you have proof that Bush didn't?

If there was proof, he wouldn't have been sworn in.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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Im off topic a bit here re vote fraud but it does matter because this is the same way they will get the guns from everyone
THROUGH FRAUD... and deceit..if they can rig elections and kill presidents and get away with it, then they will come for the guns too...like HOLDER and his fast and furious PURE FRAUD! ( and he lied to congress too )


vote convictions ohio

None dare call it stolen:
Ohio, the election, and America's servile press

www.harpers.org...

just sayin BG
betcha blair was rigged in as well

www.conspiracyplanet.com...


A new court filing reveals how the 2004 Ohio Presidential Election was hacked to help win the election for George Bush.
Free Press reports a new court filing reveals a high-tech system using a sophisticated man in the middle hacker attack that was used to steal the 2004 Ohio presidential election for George Bush.

The filing includes, among many other documents, the deposition of the IT guru, Michael Connell, who worked for the Bush Family and Karl Rove who created the controversial system which transferred the Ohio vote results to a Republican server site in Tennessee. After giving the revealing deposition on the inner workings of the system Micheal Connell dies soon afterward in a suspicious small plane crash.
http://(nolink)/2011/07/20/court-filing-reveals-2004-ohio-presidential-election-hacked-bush-37331/
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higgins links are messed up copy wise - copy link to google, delete the nolink and brackets, then google


Vote Fraud: The Evidence
( republicam lawyers )
www.rnla.org...
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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That my friend, is a plain rude reply. I asked in a civil manner, funny how so many have jumped on the 'How dare you even ask' bandwagon. T'was a simple question, I asked why he wanted more. No accusations~ just a simple question. Chill.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:41 AM
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Thanks for the links. I think it is odd that this tidbit didn't fly on the MSM.

I believe they use more subtle methods of feeding us our candidates.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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kerry lay down..the press did too
this is my concern: they are ALL SO DAMNED CROOKED how can right prevail?

(Thanks for seeing i wasn't trying to be arguementative with you )

re blair and the british government and why the brits will NEVER have freedom or guns:
from Lord Moncton:

The world-government Secretariat: In all but name, the UN Convention's Secretariat will become a world government directly controlling hundreds of global, supranational, regional, national and sub-national bureaucracies. It will receive the vast sum of taxpayers' money ostensibly paid by the West to the Third World for adaptation to the supposed adverse consequences of imagined (and imaginary) "global warming".

Bureaucracy: Hundreds of new interlocking bureaucracies answerable to the world-government Secretariat will vastly extend its power and reach. In an explicit mirroring of the European Union's method of enforcing the will of its unelected Kommissars on the groaning peoples of that benighted continent, the civil servants of nation states will come to see themselves as servants of the greater empire of the Secretariat, carrying out its ukases and diktats whatever the will of the nation states' governments.
rense.com...
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
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kerry lay down..the press did too
this is my concern: they are ALL SO DAMNED CROOKED how can right prevail?

(Thanks for seeing i wasn't trying to be arguementative with you )
Well, you are a nice person. Some other poster told us Americans to push something up our arse a little earlier!


I freely admit that there is a terrible amount of fraud in elections, here and in other countries as well. I support voter ID, which I think would help to prevent some voter fraud. We need an ID to cash a check or buy a gun, why not present one in order to vote.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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yeah and make Obama get one before the next vote on upholding the gun control treaties with the globalist governments that are attempting to circumvent the constitution

I am half American..( family flag)
as America goes so goes the world
so with the NDAA's battlefield America...well I hope you see what I mean
the OP, I think just stumbled on the tip of the gun clawback iceberg...



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Of course demurred and allowed Bush to win.
Their both Bonesmen, Russell trust brothers.
One is the same as the other.
Funny how all the whistleblowers die in plane crashes, suicides or heart attacks right before they're supposed to testify - the DC madam, Breitbart, Connel, etc, etc.


Damn glad I know nothing of real importance!



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by butcherguy
 


kerry lay down..the press did too
this is my concern: they are ALL SO DAMNED CROOKED how can right prevail?

(Thanks for seeing i wasn't trying to be arguementative with you )

re blair and the british government and why the brits will NEVER have freedom or guns:
from Lord Moncton:

The world-government Secretariat: In all but name, the UN Convention's Secretariat will become a world government directly controlling hundreds of global, supranational, regional, national and sub-national bureaucracies. It will receive the vast sum of taxpayers' money ostensibly paid by the West to the Third World for adaptation to the supposed adverse consequences of imagined (and imaginary) "global warming".

Bureaucracy: Hundreds of new interlocking bureaucracies answerable to the world-government Secretariat will vastly extend its power and reach. In an explicit mirroring of the European Union's method of enforcing the will of its unelected Kommissars on the groaning peoples of that benighted continent, the civil servants of nation states will come to see themselves as servants of the greater empire of the Secretariat, carrying out its ukases and diktats whatever the will of the nation states' governments.
rense.com...
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But we are free-er, and we have guns, and we are in general, a much better country than Canada and the US combined. We will certainly be around long, long after your artificial countries are gone.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
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Of course demurred and allowed Bush to win.
Their both Bonesmen, Russell trust brothers.
One is the same as the other.
Funny how all the whistleblowers die in plane crashes, suicides or heart attacks right before they're supposed to testify - the DC madam, Breitbart, Connel, etc, etc.


Damn glad I know nothing of real importance!
If I knew anything....
I'd darn sure keep my mouth shut!



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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Yet more American ignorance and arrogance?

Not at all! If you ARE the government, then how can you be an untrusted member of society? The theory works like this: If this is truely a government "of the the People and by the People", how can individuals be denied anything that is permitted to government employees? Before a democratic/republican form of government can function, one must make the basic assumption that the citizens are trustworthy, and that it is they who shoulder the load of government. If there is a government class that has special previlages, then the remainder of the population is "subject" to the will of the governing class.

You must not have read my whole post. You merely fixated on the part that irritated you, possibly because you find the truth in it.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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You can take your citizen status and ram it deep into your anus.

Nice. I give you a friendly asnswer that explains the situation from my viewpoint, and then you respond with Nation envy. It is easy to see why it was necessary to separate ourselves from your rule, as you seem to be quite obstinate. Go brush you teeth.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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And now citizens have so many guns in the society, guns are needed to protect against other citizens.

This is actually media hype. I am 63 years old, and I have never seen a shootout, I don't know of anyone who has been shot, nor do I know anyone who has shot anyone outside of law enforcement or military action. Except for specific crime-ridden areas, the US is surprisingly peaceful. There are far more people killed by drunk drivers or even perscription drug mistakes than by firearms.

I own several rifles and pistols, as do most of my neighbors and friends. We don't fear any except the liberals who wish to fundamentally change our Nation.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Difference is Blair won the elections fair and square, bush didn't.

That has been the claim, but there never has been any proof of that. Liberals make this clain EVERYTIME they lose any election because they actually believe that they are the majority in every location.

History has proven time and again that it is the liberal Democrats who cheat the most in elections. The Obama appointed Justice Department is currently suing states in order to prevent them from purging illegal aliens and dead people from the voter rolls. (Illegals tend to vote for those who provide unearned benefits and dead people can vote however an imposter chooses.) It is that same DOJ that is trying to block the polling stations from requiring picture id proof of citizenship in order to vote. The Democrats get more votes when illegals vote, even though that priveledge is reserved for citizens. There isn't a Nation in the world that extends voting rights to non-citizens.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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I hosted a brit around 2004 who wanted to go to a gun shop because he'd never seen a gun except on t.v.

when we were almost done browsing, and this was a very comprehensive place, he asked me why we needed so many guns. the proprietor was nearby and he got a very sour look on his face.

I told him it is a right guaranteed by the most important document in our country and many ignorant people here want to deny us, essentially, the last right of the bill of rights that is still standing.

our freedom is under attack by our own government. I'm a gun owner not only because I want to protect my home and family, but because I believe that without this right we would have a very different nation.

gun ownership keeps our government in check.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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****UPDATE****
Just got a call from the dealer! They received a notice to “proceed” from the ATF and I am free to complete my purchase. It was an inconvenience but at least I’m now free to move forward.

I think the gun laws we have now in US require a complete overhaul because they simply DO NOT prevent the wrong people from acquiring weapons….period. I can get over what happened in this case but this just goes to show that people who “legally” purchase firearms are the ones negatively affected by these laws.

How many crimes where prevented by holding up my purchase for 3 days? Absolutely NONE!!

Thanks to everyone for all of your input!

Now I'm off to pick up my new gun!!



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Congrats...

Did they explain why their was a hold?

If not call and ask for answers...




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