Capitalism Is For Dummies.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


That was probably written by Jews man...

That socialist friend of mine loves Hitler. Loves, loves, loves him. Hasn't read Mein Kampf because he hasn't found a translation by someone who wasn't a Jew.

I'm dead serious.

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by Germanicus

 

I think you're delusional. So, you want to go back to feudal Japan? You mean, like, where people were banned from defending themselves against the Samurai class with real weapons so they had to resort to fighting with farm tools to keep their wives from being raped and property stolen?

Sounds great.

Do you want a society with closed castes? Where you literally can not move up because of who you were born to?

Not to argue the specifics of Japanese precolonial feudalism, you know more about that than me because your entire belief system seems based on that, but to my understanding, that's how feudalism usually works.

I'm happy. I don't feel like I've been made a victim by evil capitalists, in fact, I'm thankful. We have it better than anybody ever has. ANYBODY. Nobody has had as much leisure time as we do in America. Our kids don't even have to work. It's crazy. We have clean hospitals and drinking water. I don't have a problem paying for that.

A family can afford multiple cars, sometimes even as a birthday present for a sweet 16. Do you realize how insanely privileged that is?

The japanese were not socialists but they knew like socialists do that generating wealth is not always contributing to society. The mega rich that you worship are putting a strain on society

I said this so no. I am a socialist not a samurai. I think your idea of a samurai is a little off though btw.

And all the stuff you mentioned is not privlidged,its waste and greed. A socialist must be more efficient,thats the point. Capitalism is waste. Look how much food we produce. Look how much we waste. Consumerism is hollow and wrong. Consumer Confidence should not be so important. We can be self sufficient.

reply to post by LDragonFire


That is not capitalism. Those farms aren't a threat to capitalism, that is absolutely absurd.

You're talking about fascism. I don't understand why that is so hard for you people to understand.

Originally posted by Germanicus
50 is a bard. Lower than a merchant. I have a thread on it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

An 'artisan' is someone that has a trade. Artisan were below the more productive peasant but above a merchant.

50 Cent is a bard. bards and actors were at the very bottom because their contribution to society is sentimental at best.
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1 --At the top of the 'class structure' were the Samurai Warrior Class. The Samuria were about 10% of the population and they comanded respect.The Samurai answered only to their leader the Diamyo. The Diaymo was the leader of a people and controlled a region.The Diaymo only answered to the Shogun. The Shogun was the most powerful Diaymo.The Shogun answered to the Emperor technically but an Emperor was often merely a figurehead. The real power lay with the Shogun. But like I said,the Samurai Class were the top social group.

2 --Just below the Samurai Class on the social ladder were the Peasants and the Farmers. Yes,thats right. Peasants were the second most important people in Feudal Japan.The peasant sat above the Artisan and the Merchant because they produced the thing that was of the most value.Food.This is logical.We all need food.The Peasant is what holds everything together.They are much more important than the Artisan and the Merchant.

3 --Third on the list was the Artisan.The Artisan was important. They made boats,weapons,clothing and they were the highly skilled. But they were not as important as the Peasant. We all need food. Without food,the rest is impossible.The Artisan lived in their own section of cities.

4 --Last on the list is the parasitic Merchant Class. These people produce nothing of real value. These parasites were at the very bottom of society. They were seen for what they were. They produced nothing of value but instead,they exploited the other classes.These people like to call themselves 'Job Creators' today. What an insulting joke that is. In Feudal Japan the Merchant Class were ostracized.They had to live in their own part of a city and the higher classes were forbidden to mix with these parasites except for business related matter's.So all our Bankers and Corporatists would be at the bottom of society in Feudal Japan.very logical.

The only thing the Japanese saw as lower than a parasitic Banker or Corporatist were undesirables like Actors,Bards, Butchers,Grave Diggers,Criminals and Prostitutes.
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hold on a freaking minute... Am I trying to hold a reasoned debate with someone who is referencing the freaking feudal system???????? Another system that FAILED miserably!?

Ok, sorry Germanicus... we're done! This is like trying to argue with a 6 year old that the tooth fairy isn't real and cartoons are only drawings!

Originally posted by Germanicus
And all the stuff you mentioned is not privlidged,its waste and greed. A socialist must be more efficient,thats the point. Capitalism is waste. Look how much food we produce. Look how much we waste. Consumerism is hollow and wrong. Consumer Confidence should not be so important. We can be self sufficient.

Ah yes... so the TRUTH finally comes out. You advocate for government control over people. EXACTLY why Socialism/Communism always becomes tyranny!

I knew that eventually you'd slip up and show your true colors.

Capitalism was a great economic system in 1780 when resources were unlimited and basic need was easily provided by ones own labor on his own land. In this day and age the entire paradigm has changed. It no longer serves the people, just the rich.

Socialism is better. Many European countries do a fine job of merging the best parts of both systems. Sure, your income is halved, but higher education, healthcare, and other services are built into the system. These countries (Germany, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Etc) generally trounce the U.S. in most indicators of well being and prosperity. From education to life expectancy, from prosperity to happiness they make us look pretty pathetic here in the U.S.

They seem to be accomplishing the very things that we are told won't work (clean energy, universal healthcare, high speed rail, good fuel economy, etc). It appears that practical solutions and a better life just isn't American enough for this society of dumb sheep.

Originally posted by Germanicus
I said this so no. I am a socialist not a samurai. I think your idea of a samurai is a little off though btw.

And all the stuff you mentioned is not privlidged,its waste and greed. A socialist must be more efficient,thats the point. Capitalism is waste. Look how much food we produce. Look how much we waste. Consumerism is hollow and wrong. Consumer Confidence should not be so important. We can be self sufficient.

So, you'd rather be breaking your back in a field all day long than sitting at your computer arguing with me? Do it then, there are plenty of independent farmers who need help from willing individuals such as yourself.

Who are you to say what is hollow and wrong? I quite enjoy being able to focus on things that aren't work and having entire days where I don't have to do anything at all.
Maybe that's not your cup of tea? Fine, what I do doesn't affect you in any way. Go ride a horse for 15 hours a day. No problems here.

You sound like you have some personal problems.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Germanicus

 

So Hitler is associated with nationalization now

What do you mean now? Do you have PHD in ignorance?

Adolf Hitler's Rise to Power:

Another interest of great importance surfaced at this time, German nationalism. The area of Austria where Hitler grew up is close to the German border. Many Austrians along the border considered themselves to be German-Austrians. Although they were subjects of the Austrian Hapsburg Monarchy and its multicultural empire, they expressed loyalty to the German Imperial House of Hohenzollern and its Kaiser. In defiance of the Austrian Monarchy, Adolf Hitler and his young friends liked to use the German greeting, "Heil," and sing the German anthem "Deutschland Uber Alles," instead of the Austrian Imperial anthem.

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Jews were tied to "internationalism" by Hitler. The name of the party was changed to the National Socialist German Worker's party, and the red flag with the swastika was adopted as the party symbol. A local newspaper which appealed to anti-Semites was on the verge of bankruptcy, and Hitler raised funds to purchase it for the party.

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While in prison, he wrote the first volume of Mein Kampf (2ed part was written in 1927-1927). It was partly an autobiographical book (although filled with glorified inaccuracies, self-serving half-truths and outright revisionism) which also detailed his views on the future of the German people. There were several targets of the vicious diatribes in the book, such as democrats, Communists, and internationalists. But he reserved the brunt of his vituperation for the Jews, whom he portrayed as responsible for all of the problems and evils of the world, particularly democracy, Communism, and internationalism, as well as Germany's defeat in the War.

Good luck with that tenure.

Do you have a PHD in rudeness. It is very telling.

I know all about Hitler genius. I am aware that Nationalization was key to his ecominc success in Germany.

I am saying that Nartionalization does not need the stigma of Hitler being attached to it. Nationalization is something that works and that has been proven time and time again. Using Hitler to argue against nationalization is hysterical and desperate. It is also telling.

reply to post by Erectus


Europe is exploding. And not in the good way.

reply to post by Erectus


Because, as we can see, the Europena Union is just such a steller entity and should be emulated. What are you smoking? The whole system over there is collapsing. And the problems that we're facing here in the US are a result of Social programs.

Show me one single Capitalist program that is bankrupting a single government!?

Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by Germanicus
And all the stuff you mentioned is not privlidged,its waste and greed. A socialist must be more efficient,thats the point. Capitalism is waste. Look how much food we produce. Look how much we waste. Consumerism is hollow and wrong. Consumer Confidence should not be so important. We can be self sufficient.

Ah yes... so the TRUTH finally comes out. You advocate for government control over people. EXACTLY why Socialism/Communism always becomes tyranny!

I knew that eventually you'd slip up and show your true colors.

Do you honestly think that your government has no control over you right now? Really?

how is the Patriot Act working out for you? Capitalist governments have become duopoloy corporatist regimes.

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

That is not capitalism. Those farms aren't a threat to capitalism, that is absolutely absurd.

You're talking about fascism. I don't understand why that is so hard for you people to understand.

They are indeed a threat, if they are not good consumers of power, water, and waste disposal from established corporations and if this spreads and becomes common it is a clear threat to the bottom line.

People living on one of these self sustaining houses or farms have a degree of freedom others do not.

Please explain how this is fascism?

reply to post by Germanicus

Do you have a PHD in rudeness. It is very telling.

The motto of this site is "Deny Ignorance". That doesn't mean to deny being ignorant, it means the members are encouraged to educate the ignorant. If you find that rude, particularly after creating a thread calling capitalists dummies, then you have more problems than ignorance.

reply to post by Germanicus


It wasn't desperate, you said that if people were happy about the government doing something then that means what the government is doing is good. People were happy about Hitler being in power, was that good?

You're clutching at straws against arguments.

Show us how nationalization makes things better? Please?

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by Germanicus
And all the stuff you mentioned is not privlidged,its waste and greed. A socialist must be more efficient,thats the point. Capitalism is waste. Look how much food we produce. Look how much we waste. Consumerism is hollow and wrong. Consumer Confidence should not be so important. We can be self sufficient.

Ah yes... so the TRUTH finally comes out. You advocate for government control over people. EXACTLY why Socialism/Communism always becomes tyranny!

I knew that eventually you'd slip up and show your true colors.

Do you honestly think that your government has no control over you right now? Really?

how is the Patriot Act working out for you? Capitalist governments have become duopoloy corporatist regimes.

You have a skull of lead! WE DON'T have Capitalism - DUH!!! Do you even see how you contradict yourself over and over again? You can't possibly possess a single shred of logic!

What you just posted backs up EVERY assertion I've been making for 4 pages of this thread! Government CANNOT be involved in a true Capitalist society!

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by Germanicus

 

It wasn't desperate, you said that if people were happy about the government doing something then that means what the government is doing is good. People were happy about Hitler being in power, was that good?

You're clutching at straws against arguments.

Show us how nationalization makes things better? Please?

Please post were i said anything about nationalization? Do you consider private ownership of the means to product power, water, food and shelter as nationalized?

reply to post by LDragonFire


Most of those things you mentioned there are public utilities. Capitalism doesn't delve into public utilities. They may be ran by corporations but they are public utilities. In a capitalist society there would be some government regulation and the consumer could choose to use companies providing power or water or whatever. If people choose not to use those, and those companies go out of business, there wasn't enough demand for them. That's just how it works. IT's not a threat, because people will always need or want to buy something.

I won't say that people aren't lazy and greedy, they are. I won't say that consumerism is the best thing in the world, it's not. But, free markets work. The fact of the matter is that we're wealthy enough to be consumers, and when we're not wealthy enough to be consumers, nobody makes us consume things we don't need. People can be self sufficient, it's not a lost art. If demand changes, supply will change. Simple as that. That is capitalism.

reply to post by LDragonFire


Please show me how that reply to germ was a reply to you.

Capitalism is part of the parasitic power pyramid of ego that have been used for thousands of years to control and enslave people by the people that are on the top. The controllers have only gotten better with their propaganda and people are conditioned to not to think by injecting fear for change. Sovjet was of the power pyramid, Nazi germany was of the power pyramid, Roman Empire was of the power pyramid and the US political system is of the power pyramid. The design is faulty and everything that is created with it becomes corrupted as you can see if you look at the state of the world right now. It is the design of control by devide and conqurer techniques.

If we keep that structure on our society and do not evolve our societies then humanity will in the end die out and we will deserve it for being selfish and smallminded. This could be a wonderful world if people would only accept equality and everybody got what they deserve by the effort they put in.

reply to post by kozmo


Switzerland and Norway aren't in the EU. As for Germany they're the ones propping up the failing economies. Denmark, Sweden, and Finland can't be said to be a factor in any EU problems. They are contributing to the stability that remains.

Don't confuse a failed economic consortium in Europe as a whole with the various countries there. Some of them are quite stable, efficient, and frankly ahead of the U.S. Germany can now produce half its' electricity from solar power. Those dumb Germans. Saving money in the long run and polluting less.

I can think of a couple of capitalist countries whose penchant for spending vast sums on warfare capability, and whose capitalist leaders ship millions of jobs to slave workers elsewhere who are on shaky financial ground.